I do real estate photography, and I’ve been in a number of newly built homes, and every single one of them had a 50 amp plug for an EV charger in the garage. To me, that says way more than any poll or whatever does.
Do people actually think EV drivers would want to go back to gas? Even intuitively it doesn’t make sense. A lot of times it involves sinking some amount of time and effort into the home infrastructure. Of course someone wouldn’t do that and then what, change their mind?
I would never go back to ICE. But I do miss driving a car with a clutch sometimes.
ah yes americans and their acronyms, Internal Combustion Engine I’m guessing
Nah, I’m on the run from immigration and customs enforcement ;).
(Yeah you got it)
Same. I love my EV as a commuter machine but I do miss having a more engaging car. If I can ever afford it I’d love to have a little weekend car like a Miata in addition to an EV that I drive 90% of the time.
Also same. I can even afford an older used Miata if I squint. But man, where would I put the thing? We’ve fortunate enough to have two cars, but storing a third would be very awkward. The current EV charger location means my car must be parked in the garage. My wife will not be bumped out and shuffling cars seems like a massive PITA.
I also live in SE MI and our roads are firmly grid oriented. I moved here daily driving a 96 Miata and got very little joy out of driving it here.
I don’t have a garage so any car I own would be living outside, right along with my EV and its charger. But it sounds like you wouldn’t get any joy out of having a sports car so I think the best solution for you is to just not.
I don’t own a car but rent for special occasions. Recently got a petrol car after driving EVs for years, the experience is truly horrific in comparison. Driving EVs is a lot of fun
180,000 MILES on my EV! Best purchase I’ve ever made. The amount of money saved on maintenance and fuel (got free charging at work and now a neighborhood hub has a free charger). Love it!!
A couple, longtime friends of mine, retired one of their 2 diesels for an EV last year. They have a charger at home, and just this week ordered a replacement for the 2nd diesel. They’ve ordered a Corolla Hybrid. Not PHEV, plain Hybrid. I can’t fathom why. I understand they may want to have a bit of ICE power there for hedging or whatever, but no plugin? They are in the process of building a new house, and it will have solar. I just don’t get it. I live in a flat, and don’t have convenient charging. I’m considering getting a new car (but not retiring my Skoda Octavia 1st gen, 480.000Km with 0 engine repairs except consummables, 3 years away from classic status), and my first choice right now is the KIA EV VAN. Convenient charging is my only problem right now.
As an EV owner, I have a bit of a mixed bag when it comes to people’s opinions on EVs here. Many will approach me to genuinely ask about the car, the range anxiety, recharge, etc because they are curious and thinking on getting one.
Then there’s “the others”. People who for some weird reason hate EVs (especially now that gas is over 2€/lt) will approach me to throw hate on them parroting the usual silly remarks about battery degradation, range, lack of “engine sound”… And it’s funny because I never open up a conversation about my EV, you won’t see me trying to forcefully talk about it… so when I tell them that I don’t care if they like EVs or not, they get even more pissed because they just want to shit on them and hope that I get upset or something? Idk, in Italy there’s this kind of people who need to show others how noisy their car is and how manly they are for driving a car that is noisy.
Idk, in Italy there’s this kind of people who need to show others how noisy their car is and how manly they are for driving a car that is noisy.
Oh how I wish that was only an Italian thing
Now you know how vegetarians and vegans feel. Most don’t bring it up (I only bring it up now in this context), but still get pulled into discussions about it.
Remember, you don’t need to engage. You get pulled in because you want to be pulled in.
I’m usually the one who talks the least on the table when it comes up. I’m really not interested discussing my personal choices. Some people really are though.
I find this fascinating because no one has ever said anything about my car. I was actually worried they would before I got an EV, because of stories like this.
But I’ve had the car for six years now and I have only had pleasant interactions about it.
They are extremely common here though, so that might be partly why.
In fact, once I thought an elderly man was going to ask something snarky. He said “hey, can I ask about your car?” and then he very kindly asked about what the brake calipers were, because he literally had no idea. Then he said “it’s a really pretty car” and then I felt mentally bad for doubting the sweet old guy.
Living in the inland northwest US I’ve never had anyone approach me to talk about EVs one way or another. I’ve been driving a Kia Niro EV for a year now. Not even the few times I’ve been into North Idaho.
I don’t think I’d be bothered too much by some EV hater trying to be an ass either though given I’m not the one eating shit at the gas station. Charging from flat to full would cost me $6.40 at home… where I essentially do all my charging at 10¢ / kWh
And it’s funny because I never open up a conversation about my EV, you won’t see me trying to forcefully talk about it
I guess this is a reality similar to that of most vegetarians or vegans…
Was just about to say the same. It’s a great source of unwelcomed conversations alongside queerness and toe shoes.
Oh well toe shoes can go to hell, that makes sense.
Oh no, shoes shaped like feet! Won’t someone think of the children??
Have ya see much difference between Chinese EVs and European ones? I’d like to get me a BYD but it seems very expensive here.
In price? To have a car that had a similar amount of equipment than my atto3, the average difference between the atto and the european brands was around 6-8k euros. And that’s just considering the ADAS (like 360° cam, park sensors, autoswitching beams, etc). If I wanted an euro car with all the other “silly” things like the opening roof, the heated wheeldrive and seats, etc, we were going to almost 10k more expensive.
The U.S. & Canada put a 100% tariff on Chinese EVs. But with the trade war with the USA in full swing hopefully we’ll i state free trade with China.
Canada dropped the tariffs on 50,000 cars. Most of them as Chinese made Teslurs.
As I’ve grown older, I’ve come to realize that many people (too many, IMHO) are not only only somewhat aware* of cultural stereotypes but also seem to willingly, if not proudly adopt them as a vital ingredient to their persona. Like some vibe coders/script kiddies copy-pasting themselves an identity from barely-skimmed “data” they got from a friend of a friend who “totally knows what they’re talking about, bro.” 🙄🤷🏼♂️
*at least, that’s what they’ll tell you, ofc.
For some people the politics or aesthetics of their choice of car outweighs the economics or convenience.
I am not rich enough to be one of those people.
Ah the South European Uncle™, I know him well
My EV is quite possibly the most poorly planned decision of my life.
I live in an apartment and cant charge it overnight. Its a leaf so it only has l2 slow charging and Chademo charging; i live in the US so it doesnt exist – an adapter costs $750 minimum. I charge for 3 hours every week to go a maximum of 70 miles at a time. When its cold out, thats 4 or 5.
I don’t regret it at all, unironically, genuinely.
There’s something to be said for not going to gas stations. Ever.
Yeah, but my version of that is sitting in a dead parking lot for 2 hours to spend $3 on 60 miles with my j1772 connection. I cant wait to have $750 to spend on my stupid computer adapter so i can instead spend 15 minutes at an electric gas station
We rented an Ionic 5 for the weekend and I will be going back to gas because… uh, it’s rented.
Real talk, though, we’re trying to find a good EV because it is better. I don’t particularly like the Ionic 5, but that’s mostly a hatred for crossovers than anything; also the severe lack of clicky buttons and stuff like automatic mirror dimming that isn’t working right. Ugh.
I just wish we had more options in the States, especially without the touch screen nonsense.
Edit to complain: finished our trip and EV charging stations are so hit or miss. People worry about range but that’s not it-- it’s the fucking apps, flex time pricing and 350 kW chargers only putting out 50 kW for mysterious reasons. This shit needs some serious regulation in the US, fucking yikes.
I have a 2019 Nissan Leaf and it was manufactured at the perfect in-between time of still having physical buttons, without the surveillance tech inside, while also having the ‘basic’ fancy features like Android Auto, backup cam, etc.
I think ideally, I would have liked an EV conversion kit for my 2006 Scion xB, but it wasn’t in the cards at the time.
It does seem like the physical buttons are making a comeback.
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Here’s hoping. I’d look into even a used option like that, but I’m also hoping we get new battery tech in the next year or two. Not that I mind 350W charger speeds, though.
It is extremely annoying that here I am nearly 8 years later, and the Model 3 is the still the only real choice if you want a compact sedan EV. I don’t want to buy another one, but for the love of God, every other option sucks, is impossible to get, or costs $30k more than a Model 3
Yeah, would prefer my Volt be a sedan instead of a hatchback. I’ve not planned to replace it yet, but I hope there are more that one manufacturer offering EV sedans in the U.S. when I do go to replace it.
Would a Kia EV6 or a Jaguar I-Pace be options?
Both the EV6 and the I-Pace are crossovers, more wagon-like than sedanlike. And the I-Pace was discontinued in 2024.
In terms of a true sedan, the Polestar 2 (also discontinued), the BMW i4, and the Lucid Air are options, but they’re significantly more expensive than a Tesla Model 3.
I want aware that the car has to be brand new as OP never stated that.
Call me a Heather but if the EV6 isn’t sedan-like enough, the Tesla 3 isn’t either.
A Lucid Air plays in a whole different league as It probably beats the Tesla S. However there’s a risk the company itself might be discontinued.
There’s a bunch of Chinese brands that deliver - they might not be available in the US or are tariffed out of budget range.
I want aware that the car has to be brand new as OP never stated that.
No, but I’m pointing out that cars that have been discontinued will not increase in number, so they’ll be harder to find on the used market over time.
Like the parent comment, I’ve rented a Hyundai Ioniq 5 a few times, and liked the way it drove. But it is so ugly I’d never buy it for myself. The EV6 is nice, and I agree it’s quite close to a sedan.
The Polestar 2 is great. Drives like a sedan. Undisputably a sedan. But its manufacturer is in a weird regulatory limbo, there weren’t a lot of 2s sold, and I personally find the clicking of the turn signal annoying. Also a bit expensive for its specs, even on the used market.
I think we’ll eventually see Kia/Hyundai/Genesis, Toyota/Lexus, and maybe Volkswagen and BMW compete in this sedan space with new cars. But for now, most car manufacturers selling in the US seem to be focused on SUVs and crossovers.
Hell, it’s hard to find subcompacts here at all. I’m willing to abandon my U-turn machines for electric when my car dies, but I’d really rather not. Fuck I love having a miniscule turning radius
I’m honestly surprised anyone rents electrics. I love owning one, but recharging would be obnoxious when traveling to a new place and having to juggle half a dozen different charging apps and a charger probably requiring you to go to a Walmart and sit for half an hour.
You only discover the absurd insanity of the charging market once you drive an EV.
Here you’ll stop at charging stations that proudly state they got incentive money (aka your tax €) from the EU and then ask for >1€ per kWh - unless you are a subscriber, then it’s 15% less. If you are a paid subscriber the rebate is more than 50%. Then you check the roaming service of one of your many subscriptions - it’s 2€/kWh.
It’s like streaming but way
more exploitativeshittier. I think this needs needs government regulation and companies abusing EU incentives should pay back every cent including compound interest immediately.Can confirm, but we wanted a challenge and it hasn’t been that bad with just one app. We even had terrible luck and had to change plans and find another spot (diesel truck overturned, which is ironic when gas is the reason your EV trip got sidetracked lol).
I imagine having reliable charging at home and work makes it braindead.
More chargers are getting tap-to-pay every day, so it is getting easier.
Also, while I doubt electric charging will be as fast as gas within this generation of vehicles (the required voltage would be rather insane), the EV guys I see online suggest charging to 75% or so because it gets you out of there in half the time. It means slightly more frequent stops, but also makes them not much longer than a bathroom break and snack run.
Oh really? That’s good to hear. The requiring an account and app thing was such nonsense.
Made a road trip 2 years ago and the charge time itself was never an issue, it was more the limited chargers and people on slow charging older EVs keeping them tied up for so long.
I was on AC / L2 chargers (my Volt), so it might not apply directly to DC charging but last weekend both the chargers I used and the DC charger I accidentally parked next to, took tap to pay, though one I ended up using did have an additional fee for tap-to-pay so I used my ChargePoint account. The week before that the DC charger that I just happened upon (and was disappointed didn’t do AC charging) actually supported both tap-to-pay and the older mag-stripe-swipe.
All those stations were in MO. I was driving AR-IN and back.
I love owning one, but recharging would be obnoxious when traveling to a new place and having to juggle half a dozen different charging apps and a charger probably requiring you to go to a Walmart and sit for half an hour.
When I see complaints like this, I read it as, “I’m a reckless driver who should have their license taken away.” If you’re taking long road trips and not stopping every 4-6 hours for a 20-30 minute break, you shouldn’t be allowed to own a vehicle at all. You’re a danger to yourself and everyone around you.
That’s an incredibly weird take. How did you get to that from a complaint about how hard it was to find a decent charger?
My example wasn’t even about a long drive, just being in a town with only 3 high speed chargers and over the course of a week I got to drive well out of my way and sit and wait for a turn at the Walmart twice. If I’d had a gas car I could’ve filled up at the many many stations nearby so it was an example of why I still wouldn’t rent one when traveling. Hell lookup driving to Yellowstone for an easy example of a route with limited chargers for the large number of summer tourists.
Did you miss the part where I love actually owning one?
Maybe it’s an LLM bot set to act contrarian?
stopping every 4-6 hours for a 20-30 minute break
An EV that drives for 6h and is charged up in 30min? This has to be an hallucination.
It would be great to have this kind of range though.
Maybe it’s an LLM bot set to act contrarian?
This hurts my soul.
Hi, I routinely drive 12+ hours only stopping for gas and bathrooms. It’s fun, and what I do for vacations, and I will never stop. I’ve been doing this since I was a teenager and have never been in a car crash because I’m an absurdly safe driver compared to most people on the roads. I think you have a really extreme view of what safe car driving looks like.
I assume you also grew up in Lake Wobegon, where all the children are above average.
I leased an Ioniq 5 SEL for three years and loved it (other than it being an SUV).
When the lease ran out, I bought a used 2024 Ioniq 6 SE which has 360 mile range and almost every feature of the SEL. It was super cheap and it suits me even better than the Ioniq 5.
It’s probably worth checking out if you like EVs.
That was my thought, the Ionic 6 looks solid and more like my Ford Fusion Hybrid I’ve been driving for a decade.
One of the reasons I got my BYD was because of the clicky buttons. Yes, I have the big touchscreen, but all the car controls have a clicky button that I can feel and touch without looking at a screen. Hell, even for the things that don’t have a clicky button (like A/C temperature) you only need to swipe up or down with three fingers on any part of the screen to adapt it so there is nothing you need to find in the screen to drive the car.
I test drove the ioniq 5 when it came out and its problem, to me, wasn’t even that it’s a stupid tall hatchback (barely a crossover even). It’s that the suspension setup makes it both uncomfortable AND unsporty. No idea if they changed it in later models, but they wouldn’t have fundamentally changed the entire setup anyway, only fine-tuning.
When the test drive was over, I sat back into my W211 and that was much more comfortable. Way slower and sluggish, but it was smoother on rough roads, and yet I actually felt where the grip was when going into a corner fast. That car was manufactured in 2003, the Ioniq 5 was a 2020 or 2021 model.
I ended up getting a lightly used W205 C-Class instead, staying with diesel. It was half the price of a brand new Ioniq 5 (since those weren’t available used)
But I’m not trying to tell you to buy an ICE vehicle like I did back then, I’m just saying that a lightly used executive car that still has warranty is going to be significantly nicer to drive than a brand new budget car. At the end of the day, you’re looking at EVs, battery warranty is 8 years anyway. Get a 2-3 year old one, sell it when the warranty is starting to end (degradation isn’t a real issue anymore, but sudden battery cell death can still be).
Your part about the suspension just clicked for me why it was bothering me so much. It was really more bumpy than I thought it would be, compared to what I normally drive. It was more like when I drove a mini cooper, tiny wheel bumpy ride.
But yeah, a slightly used but good car is probably my best bet right now, or just hang on one or two more years to see if there’s a breakthrough in batteries or we get Chinese imports, basically.
I have said it a million times. Whenever I drive a car with an internal combustion engine it feels so incredibly primitive.
Loud, too much vibration, slow start up, doesnt even sound like a spaceship
I was so excited for EVs to be quiet. The spaceship noises make me so sad. Like finally, we figured out a way to make a car that didn’t make too much noise, and we legally added in stupid scifi sounds. These neurotypicals ruin everything.
Ive definitely sneaked up on people, even with the added spaceship sound. Its 100% for safety and honestly too quiet.
That being said a lot of hondas have like an angelic hum that I really hate
I think most of that is due to regulation, it is so you can’t sneak up on someone like Andy in his Prius. Early Model 3s don’t even have a speaker to make the sound so they still don’t, a friend of mine has one and it doesn’t make any woowoo noises
Monke brain like vroom vrroom
Jokes aside, car manufacturers figured consumers would miss that feeling enough to install software in EVs to mimic it.
Yamaha went the extra mile and patented a fake engine for electric bikes that moves and moves air just like a real engine, except it generates negative work.
I hate everything about it and everyone who had a hand on it.
Not so much primative, just the peak of an outdated technology, nostalgic in a way, like when you get on a steam train
It was the smell for me. They all smell like horrible chemicals, I was just blind to it until I spent a few weeks away from one.
Why?
I’ve tried them, and I despise touch screen controls. I don’t want to go through menus to change settings.
This is a problem for newer gas vehicles also, the newest car I drive is a 2024 and I hate it. Constant beeping, changing settings reverts with an update, and so on.
If they make an electric car with analog controls and door handles, I’m in. But until then, my favorite vehicle is a 2008 ride with working buttons that don’t reset.
If they make an electric car with analog controls and door handles, I’m in.
That’s been part of the pitch for the Slate
My EV has buttons for most stuff, and the rest of it I can use the screen, or just tell the car to do stuff
I’m lucky enough to live in a civilised country, so I have a BYD that yanks cannot yet buy
I’ve owned an EV for a while now, and it has been a great car, but I share the same complaints. Almost every car these days, regardless if it’s EV or ICE, is an over-engineered data-harvester.
I’m excited for the new Slate trucks. They’ll have physical buttons, roll down windows, real door handles, and no infotainment system that tracks you and sells your data. They won’t be perfect, but it’s a lot closer to what I actually want in a vehicle.
2017 BMW i3, original version. Can’t do shit, I upgraded with Android Auto and a rear camera. Just… the doors… But otherwise I love it.
Yeah, that’s where I’m at, too. Though I’m caught between intending to drive my current car (2013) into the ground or trying to get something a bit newer (like 2018 or even newer) where I can find a pre-enshitification model to push off the “car dies and I have no choice” date.
Modern cars have more options than ever, no analog control can cover them all. That’s why menus are needed. That said, some newer cars do have analog controls too, combustion and EVs.
Forget what you read online
… What was I doing, again?
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What’s my name again!?
As an owner of a hybrid I want to go full electric
If I could do wall power I could potentially run a cord from my back deck to my parking spot, if I’m allowed and if it would reach. I’d have to figure out how to prevent it from being a tripping hazard but that’s minimal
I don’t think I’d suffer range anxiety and some of the newer evs are sooo nice
should be doable, the cable on our charger is like 14’ long and I kinda wish it wasn’t SO long lol because we park snugged up to the garage, it’s always way more slack than needed.
iirc the brand is emporia, they’re a common charger w/ bluetooth connectivity so you can see how much you’re paying / how fast it’s charging etc., complete with detailed metrics every month.
my only wish is that I could ev-ize my old honda element.
I don’t know who would make the opposite claim. Everything I hear has always been “hardly anyone would go back”.
there’s a population of ICE lovers in this community who chime in every time with ‘ev’s suck’ etc., who I suspect have never actually driven an EV or are being paid to fanboy smog.
What do you mean about what you read online? Am I going to the wrong places? This stat sounds perfectly reasonable to me, and I don’t even drive one.
