DISCO s1e4 “The Butcher’s Knife Cares Not…”
Even before it became common knowledge that Elon Musk was a twat, I found the way the media fellated him to be egregious.
How funny would it be if they did a George Lucas and just edited the audio to remove Musks name.
Elmo would be so mad. His ego wouldn’t be able to take it.
Feels like they at least have to add a warning like this:
I fucking FORGOT about that part lol
How much do you think Musk paid to get his name dropped? I bet you he paid too much.
He didn’t have to pay for that back then. He was worshipped by the rich pseudo progressive people, meaning modern Star Trek producers and writers.
He even was in the second Iron Man, because back then he was viewed as a real life Tony Stark. That was before he openly showed what a fucking bigot he was
He was in there because Marvel used locations from his companies for filming, and that was (at least part of) his payment.
Back when he had a PR team.
I just watched this series in the last year and I remember scoffing when I heard that, lol I had no idea what was coming.
Also being kinda new to Star Trek, is there a joke about Frakes? My wife and I always joke that when an episode makes no fucking sense, it was directed by JFrakes, and I wonder if its something like a joke among trek fans
Usually the more complex and deep episodes are Frakes. When you see his name as director, you know you’re in for a great ride. It’s probably partly because he’s ST royalty so he can push the envelope and doesn’t need to play it safe for his career.
His episodes make no sense at all in Disco, which is saying something for a show that makes no sense at all, but his ds9 EPs are pretty good.
He tends to pick up more oddball or funny episodes. In this case, he actually didn’t direct that episode. Felt fitting and needed something to tie things up on a more positive slant.
and this is the exact reason why trek shouldn’t use real life (living) people in its lore.
one week they’re the messiah, the next they’re a pariah.
It’s from 2017, right? It was very clear Musk was an idiot back then too.
Maybe not as comically evil as he is now, but still.Everyone acts like we collectively only realized he was an idiot like 2 years ago. I remember when I first heard about him in college around 2016 I didn’t like him even then. His ego was clearly apparent and his “progressive persona” was obviously a persona.
The cave rescue thing was 2018 and it’s often brought up as the turning point in people’s perception of musk, so fair enough I guess?
as long as the real people actually invented a device and that’s all that’s mentioned I’m fine with it, but praising real people is just a bad idea.
Stamets is named after Paul Stamet, who’s one part legit mycologist researcher, one part mushroom cure-all, woo peddler. He at least has the sense to compartmentalize his books. “The Mushroom Cultivator” remains the goto, soup-to-nuts book on cultivating mushrooms.
Or in this case, a nazi
Man it was really stupid (and cringe) of them to talk about musk in discovery. And it aged terrible lol
OMG yeah that reference aged like a Cybertruck.
That would mean not at all, or is it because blew up in their face? Or because the reference just didn’t work? Or because it’s stupid, man this line of yours has layers.
They could have at least read up about him if they were going to name drop, it was clear if you paid attention back then how bad he was, though it was more understandable for someone not paying attention to not know
Jason Isaacs improvised the musk part in hopes of getting a Tesla
He mentioned it in an aftershow
I’m gonna keep believing, he said that because he knew he was from the mirror universe.
The dumb fuck.
Dick.
Was it before or after the “pedo submarine” thing?
Because I’m having a hard time understanding how much attention one would need to pay.
I think before. Pedo submarine comment was 2018 and I believe this was 2017. He had made crazy comments but nothing was big news at that point iirc
Honestly, a better analogy is Henry Ford.
See also Thomas Edison.
Though to be fair, I am pretty sure Edison wasn’t a fascist, because fascism hadn’t been invented yet
An asshole is an asshole is an asshole. I get you, though
Hadn’t been invented, or just hadn’t been discovered yet?
I think the right word to use here is “defined”
Hadn’t been marketed properly.
Ideologies are invented, not discovered.
Yes Henry Ford certainly had no problematic aspects
I mean that Henry Ford was an overt fascist, so the comparison to Musk is more apt.
When was this episode aired originally?
To this day , that title is in my list of top 5 titles, and probably the top Disco title.
That is also a great one and the other contender for best Disco title IMO.
All right yeah that’s what I thought. Well past when red flags were already coming up all over the place. No excuse for them to have been worshiping him by that date.
Heeeh, the pedo thing was a year later, that’s when he really exposed himself to the mainstream audience.
Doesn’t explain how Tilly attended Musk Junior High School, though.
Musk “Junior High School”, or “Musk Junior” High School?
Musk has like a thousand kids…one of them might turn out to be worthy of naming a school after.
You think Khan Academy is named after Ghengis?
Also mirror.
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DISCO s1e10 “Despite Yourself”
It’s pretty risky to name drop a living person, and they did it just to seem a bit more modern.
I heard somewhere the guy said that in the hopes that musk would give him a Tesla or something 😅
Oof.
Didn’t they also use a real life politician to play a fictional politician?
Yeah, Stacey Abrams from Georgia. So far no landmines but you never know.
Elon Musk must have been a decent guy in the Mirror Universe.
No, he was a normal guy in the normal universe. We’re in the mirror…
Thanks for this. I skip mirror EPs on DS9. I can see how writers might enjoy doing anything they want with the characters, but it’s not fun to sit through a bunch of rapid fire no consequence ‘‘what if’’ plotlines. I don’t mind eps where it’s a thought out plot with characters that are in character, where everything gets status quo’d at the end, is OK as long as the story is worth it, but 20min of Major Kira as a sex offender for no reason is a big no.
fair enough
personally, I think DS9 used the Mirror Universe well. As you say, it’s enjoyable for the writers. I also think the cast had a lot of fun with them - cut loose and go full camp.
Staying in the mirror universe is what kills me. I liked the first half of STD’s season 1 well enough. But after revealing that Lorka was from the mirror universe and then spending the rest of the season there? That’s not fun at all. Just boring.
Mirror universe Musk would probably be a humanitarian on the scale of Norman Borlaug, if the pendulum swings just as hard the other way.
My head canon is that Paul Stamets has no idea who the fuck Musk is, and that he didn’t want to interrupt Captain Lorca’s seemingly encouraging speech. So this is definitely a slip (in my head canon) since Musk is definitely a prominent historical figure in the Mirror Universe.
My headcanon for this is that the events between the early 21st century and the show’s time, given they were full of some rather devastating wars, led to the true history of what he actually was like getting largely forgotten, leaving his pr campaigns the main source of information history has to go on him, and this leaving the people of the future with an idea of who he was that is much nicer than reality.
You don’t even really have to headcanon it! The Voyager episode 11:59 touched on this, with Janeway’s ancestor being very different in reality than what spotty records had led her family to believe for generations.
For example, In The Motion Picture, there’s a ship named after Christopher Columbus. We know now what kind of person he was and that he doesn’t deserve to be honored. But in a universe where from the 1990s it was one war leading to another which lead to the big one that almost wiped out humanity, Columbus is still known as the pioneer who put the Americas on the map.
This is also the reason for a lot of other little historical blind spots that are part of Trek canon.
In the case of Elon Musk, I don’t think Trek’s 21st century would have allowed him to rise to power (or even become famous) in the first place.
Have we considered that the Wright Brothers may have been massive megalomaniacal douches that took credit for someone else’s invention too, and this statement is entirely consistent?
You could talk with Brazilians about Santos Dumont…
Or Clément Ader in France !
My theory is musk paid someone in somewhere to get it on there.
Well, they elevated space hitler to BFF.
