• OCATMBBL@lemmy.worldEnglish
      10·
      1 day ago

      Religious, macho, hatred of other-Latin (Mexicans, Guatemalans, Nicaraguans, Domincans etc. have a lot of interrelational hatred), and I-got-mine-ing (pulling up the ladder once they got their citizenship).

    • humanspiral@lemmy.caEnglish
      5·
      1 day ago

      I remember 2016 analysis. Texas promised a lot of wall construction jobs. Florida threatened Castro’s ghost was going be donated Miami by commie HRC and Biden in 2020. Latinos may be made to hate each other, by country of origin, or ladder being pulled out for those not here yet, for all I know.

      By far the biggest indicator of Trump support/voting intentions is how much they consume “trans normalization outrage porn”. Trump’s baseless confidence that giving all of America to oligarchs will create more jobs can influence low information/analytical people as well.

    • omega_x3@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      1 day ago

      In 1998 Clinton’s secretary of state stent a SWAT team in to the house of some Cuban immigrants to kidnap a child who’s mother died getting him out of Cuba but because his dad was still in Cuba they figured the best way to solve the problem involved point guns at people. Since that event Latinos have voted almost exclusively for Republicans.
      My only hope is if there is ever another election they will finally find someone else to hate more than Janet Reno.

    • w3dd1e@lemmy.zipEnglish
      2·
      1 day ago

      I might have the wrong attribution, but I think it was Regan who said “Latino voters are Republicans who don’t know it yet.”

  • DarkFuture@lemmy.worldEnglish
    455·
    2 days ago

    All I see is one of the dumbest nations on the planet and a clear indication that things will continue to decline regardless of whether Donald Trump is wasting oxygen or not.

    Dark future.

  • mlg@lemmy.worldEnglish
    535·
    2 days ago

    Really guys

    This is lemmy cmon, at least put in the effort to question the data source

    How many of you even had an option to fill in your race on your voter registration form? My state doesn’t even collect this info.

    • Makhno@lemmy.worldEnglish
      264·
      2 days ago

      Its a shitpost that makes pearl-clutching liberals feel good.

      Man = bad

      White man = badder

      🤷🏽‍♂️

  • Surp@lemmy.worldEnglish
    647·
    2 days ago

    No fucking way this is real data. Dont believe everything you see on the internet people this is clearly bullshit. Trump won yes but no fucking way is this data legit. Its just hate spewing this post should be fucking dropped for false information. No way blue states had all white men voting Trump lol fuck off OP.

    • iridebikes@lemmy.worldEnglish
      115·
      2 days ago

      This. There is no shot that around 85% of white men votes Trump. Not a chance in hell.

        • iridebikes@lemmy.worldEnglish
          32·
          2 days ago

          I see upon zooming very far in that the pixelated bar seems to say electoral college but under it nearly unintelligibly it has the vote breakdown. Misleading.

          • astutemural@midwest.socialEnglish
            92·
            2 days ago

            It’s not misleading, that’s how the electoral college works lmao. 49% of votes could go to the second-place candidate and the first-place candidate could still win every single electoral vote. The system doesn’t care about people’s votes, only the electoral votes matter for presidential elections. The map shows exactly what it claims to show.

            • iridebikes@lemmy.worldEnglish
              23·
              1 day ago

              Shows the vote totals below the bar. Shows the electoral votes on the bar. Super pixelated and small. It’s misleading. I understand the electoral system you condescending twat.

      • Hobo@lemmy.worldEnglish
        53·
        2 days ago

        Link to the data, a source of the infograph, or something that can get me to interpret what I’m actually looking at. I tried to figure out where it came from and can’t find it. I don’t see how a wiki link to “The Electoral College” even begins to explain this infograph, and I think it’s weird that you think it does.

        Electoral votes are winner take all with the exception of Maine and Nebraska. With that in mind there should only be a maximum of 4 colors for all of these maps. Since they are using shades we are led to believe that it is a proportion of population. If it is in fact using electoral college votes than these maps highly manipulative.

        The details are basically unreadable from how shitty this version of the infograph is. From what I can tell there’s 4 different legends that are unique to each map. The colors, at least according to what I can read on the legend, only convey what each state is named and how many electoral votes each state has. That may not be the case, but it’s impossible to tell since it’s basically unreadable. The legends also appear to be different on the last map than they are on the first 3 maps. Again, I can’t tell exactly because it’s basically unreadable on every map.

        There’s no way to tell what the hell the data means other than someone pasting big bold titles. The fact that the titles don’t appear to be displayed consistently and they cut out a dropdown on the left seems weird as hell. I have no way of telling what those selections were even within the tool they were using. Which seems like an odd bit of information to exclude.

        Which brings me back to the most important point, there’s no readable citation. All of these are cleared up with a citation to a source. The data could in fact be genuinely displaying what it’s made out to convey, but I can’t possibly tell that without looking at the source of the data, checking what/where the data came from, and then recreating these maps in whatever tool they used. A citation would at least be step 1 to make this infograph anything other than weird propaganda.

    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      74·
      2 days ago

      Imagine being in this much denial about the reality of racist usa.

      But on the other hand I would like to see a source. Edit: source fwiw.

    • Smoogs@lemmy.worldEnglish
      85·
      2 days ago

      Did trump win?

      I thought there was a court case about this now.

      This is why ballots should be manually counted. Those machines were not tested.

      Regardless I also agree there is trouble with this data as when you cast ballots giving nationality and gender isn’t done on a ballot from what I understood unless this is different in AmericaUS. There is polling which can reflect but if nothing else I’m now forever dubious about any system that isn’t counted manually offline now.

    • P1k1e@lemmy.worldEnglish
      59·
      2 days ago

      Also no chance all black men voted blue either. Sexism is strong in this country, like really.fuckmorhering strong

  • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    201·
    2 days ago

    If you’re white and on the left its time you started infiltrating these conservative spaces. I do, and as soon as they see you are white all you have to do is ignore 1 racist comment and these people open all the folds for you. Its time to get dirty with the people spreading the dirt. The right wanted a revolution? They’ll get it.

    • Jax@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      11·
      2 days ago

      I’m barely keeping my sanity from fraying, the last thing I need is to make it worse by surrounding myself with people I hate.

    • Odelay42@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 day ago

      Buy guns, learn to use them safely and effectively, stock up on supplies to defend your family and community if the worst happens.

      You will inevitably interact with plenty of racists in that process.

    • Makhno@lemmy.worldEnglish
      64·
      2 days ago

      If you’re white and on the left its time you started infiltrating these conservative spaces.

      I’ll pass

      • Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        It’s not for everyone. The main reasons to ‘change sides’ so to speak is to simply get a vote in their primaries.

        • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          I get in there, once I’m trusted I talk about what they actually want from society, and then subtly make a pointed question if thats what the GOP is doing. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but I always get them to question things and thats the most important part.

          Soon it won’t be enough though.

          • conditional_soup@lemm.eeEnglish
            4·
            2 days ago

            Tried it; it doesn’t matter, in my experience. Conformity is way more important to these folks than they pretend, and once something like this starts getting traction, it gets labelled a thought crime and sealed away.

            • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              2 days ago

              Did you actually build a relationship? Or just talk to someone in public? If you dont get to a first name basis its not gonna work. Its ass but, a lot of these people aren’t hate filled monsters. The wools been pulled over their eyes. There is no consensus reality anymore. Most people aren’t equipped to handle that. I’ve converted only eight people this way, but thats eight minds that have been rehabilitated to ask questions and seek multiple sources.

    • bitwolf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      21·
      2 days ago

      Believe me I have tried.

      They’re so scared of what they think is socialism, but what they describe is actually communism.

      They don’t know why either is bad, just that China has it and they don’t want it.

      • fishy@lemmy.todayEnglish
        1·
        1 day ago

        Yup, you back them into a logical corner which should cause critical thinking and doubt. Just turns into “what about this unrelated thing?” Five minutes into the discussion you realize you can’t convince them because they see politics as a team sport.

  • ceenote@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2164·
    3 days ago

    Latino men… You know he fucking hates you, right? Or at least, the base he panders to does.

  • GooberEar@lemmy.wtfEnglish
    662·
    3 days ago

    I’m a white man in a rural area in the south. Black folks who don’t really know me often seem surprised when they hear me say something anti-Trump. And honestly, I understand completely.

    • joostjakob@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      Do you have any insights on how that works? Is it just something rather gets passed down from parent to child? Because I would assume the education system would try to tilt everyone towards the Republican side there (I’m not from the US)

      • GooberEar@lemmy.wtfEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        I have anecdotes, but no specific data or insights, I’m only speaking about my experience.

        In some respects, politics is a lot like religion. Just like most Christians were raised in Christian families and most Muslims were raised in Muslim families, it seems like most Republicans were raised in conservative families while most Democrats were raised in liberal families. Obviously this isn’t a 100% one-to-one correlation, and there’s a lot of nuance as well as a plethora of exceptions.

        As far as education, I only have my perspective of the school system I went to. Overall, I think that most of the teachers were very respectful and balanced whenever political ideology came up. As a kid I wouldn’t have noticed it, but by my teens I was pretty observant. There were definitely several notable exceptions, mostly conservative teachers showing bias and attempting to influence us, unprompted. I think the most “liberal” ideology I was exposed to was the one high school teacher who strongly advocated for LGBT folks, but that was generally in reaction to students’ homophobic actions or words. Overall, i would say that the education system pushed religious ideology more than political, but of course, it being the south, conservatism and Christianity are practically one in the same.

  • 9point6@lemmy.worldEnglish
    755·
    3 days ago

    That’s wild

    Non-black folk in the US—your reality has been propagandised

  • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
    172·
    2 days ago

    White men I can understand (if not agree with). But come on Latinos, you should be fucking better than this.

    “Immigrants are poisoning the blood of America”

    “Yeah, ese. You tell 'em.”

    At least the ones in California appeared to know what was up.

    • andallthat@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      I don’t live in the US but my country has also had a lot of immigration, invasions (true ones with armies, not mean ways to describe immigration), internal migrations from poorer parts of the country, you name it… Basically almost everyone is an immigrant in one way or another.

      Well, our version of the far right has a lot of support from first or second generation immigrants.

      One part of it is to pull the ladder up after ourselves and avoid others coming in and competing with us for the same jobs. Another part is that immigrants are on average poorer and angrier about the state of things, and for the populist far right, anger is fuel.

      But also, Populists are becoming increasingly good at blurring the lines and making certain people feel included in the “in group” at election time, even if they are going to kick them in the head as soon as the ballots close. Case in point, AfD in Germany being led by a gay woman with an immigrant partner, “Brothers of Italy” being led by a single mom… Usha Vance is not an isolated edge case, she seems to be part of a playbook, whether she knows it or not.

    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      43·
      2 days ago

      “Latino” is a white supremacist term. It’s a denial of ancestry from america, africa, etc. in favor of “latin” culture aka european. White supremacy needs new blood to survive in USA. That’s the whole point of “latino”. That’s why “latinos” are encouraged to think they’re “white”. Meanwhile “whiteness” is nothing more than an oppressive system of racist control.

      • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        As a European I don’t get it anyway. Spanish people are white, but apparently are “people of colour” in the US.

        I’m guessing it’s one of those “where you came from” things that Americans obsess over. Americans were even “racist” to the Italians and they’re pretty much the whitest country in Europe these days.

        • OBJECTION!@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          1 day ago

          Whiteness is not an objective quality of people but a socially constructed category that expands or contracts depending on what is needed to maintain in group dominance.

          When the in group is weak, you’ll see more people being considered “white,” and when it is strong, the tests will get stricter (looking not only at skin color, for example, but at ancestry). It’s really just a question of how confident racists are that they have sufficient clout to exclude a particular group without undermining their exclusion of other groups.

        • Soapbox@lemmy.zipEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          Up until the mid 20th century, a lot of Americans didn’t consider Catholic’s to be “white.”

          It was a really big deal when Irish Catholic John F Kennedy was elected president.

  • frezik@midwest.socialEnglish
    131·
    2 days ago

    By random coincidence, eliminating women’s suffrage is within the overton window of the Republican party.

    • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      It’s not even that close to the edge, they’ve already added additional voting barriers for most married women.

      Let’s face it, the Republicans are trying to put trump up as a dictator, which eliminates everyone’s right to vote.

    • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      402·
      3 days ago

      They failed and blamed BIPOC for their loss while white men and women are why Trump won. And I’m a white dude who voted for Harris.

      And then they claimed they support Black Lives Matter. Brown people matter if they win, they don’t care and will blame you if they lose.

  • Psythik@lemm.eeEnglish
    372·
    3 days ago

    What the flying fuck is wrong with Latinos?

    When I was growing up in the 90s and 2000s, Latinos almost almost always voted democrat. What changed? How did they end up voting for the party that hates them the most?

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.mlEnglish
      347·
      3 days ago

      Because the democrats made the mind-numbingly stupid decision to pivot right like they always do, this time on immigration. No more, “Building the wall is racist,” no more, “No one is illegal,” instead it was, “We’re the ones who are actually going to build the wall, Trump’s all talk.” To this end, they attempted to pass a bill that would have greatly expanded the president’s ability to crack down on immigrants.

      They figured, as they always do, that everyone would simply fall in line behind them as the “lesser evil.” Instead, the result was that they undermined their argument that stricter immigration laws were grounded in racism (which they are, of course), and failed to distinguish themselves from the Republican position. Many Latinos have conservative positions on other issues, and, perceiving little significant difference between the two parties’ stances on immigration, they voted based on other, less important cultural issues where there was a meaningful difference. It’s worth noting that some people have the sentiment, “We came here legally so they can too,” and it was only when there was (correct) messaging that cracking down on undocumented immigrants was a slippery slope that would endanger legal immigrants that they were able to be persuaded to set aside other cultural issues. This messaging was abandoned because it was considered potentially alienating the the oh so precious (white) moderate Republicans, who also didn’t vote for them, because they’re nonexistent/unwinnable.

      This is one of many, many examples of how moving towards the “center” can alienate voters and lose votes, especially when it involves acting against your constituents’ material interests.

    • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      3 days ago

      Latinos, especially first generation immigrants, trend strongly toward being staunchly religious and socially conservative. As such, they tend to think Republicans, who are also religious conservatives, will be on their side. There’s also a subset of legal immigrants who hate illegal immigrants. Add in that first generation immigrants often aren’t fluent in English yet and that creates a layer of information exchange that conservative news outlets can exploit; if you don’t translate the overtly racist crap the politicians say, you can make your audience rely on your white-washed commentary.

      As for the folks who’s families have been in the US for generations and who grew up fully bilingual in English and Spanish, I’m honestly not sure.

      • fantoozie@midwest.socialEnglish
        6·
        2 days ago

        I’d also add that for young men specifically, there is an onslaught of propaganda manipulating their sexual frustration and insecurities into hatred towards women. Trump offered these men a symbolic victory against a world in which they feel they will never succeed financially or sexually. Young men from immigrant families are particularly susceptible to this, since their families are generally more socially conservative and adhere to stricter gender stereotypes.

    • Oniononon@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      102·
      3 days ago

      Could be rigged elections, to make it seem like latinos wanted themselves to get dragged to death camps.

      Remember trump had full control of the machines as he admitted and it is in court currently since entire election areas counted 0 votes for Kamala but had witnesses stating they did vote for kamala.

    • taiyang@lemmy.worldEnglish
      143·
      3 days ago

      So technically it’s probably even redder across the board, although if I remember exit polling, black man are still blue.

      Still close tho, and very depressing.

    • kipo@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      2 days ago

      Thank you for providing a source and methodology!

      Without it, the original posted photo is simply reinforcing our existing biases.

  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
    English
    154·
    3 days ago

    In 2020 black males had 80 Biden - 20 Trump and black females 90 Biden - 10 Trump. I’m generally color blind but it’s hard not to see how american black culture is so much more attentive to contemporary issues and somehow pop culture managed to twist “woke” as a bad word. crazy.

      • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
        English
        6·
        2 days ago

        Agreed but it is them who influence the pop culture.

        I’m getting quite old now it the anti woke progression was just wild to live through. Suddenly people started to realize that we have a lot of collective power and then everything turned around with anti-woke and anti-cancel-culture campaigns driven by afraid billionaires. I hope history doesn’t wash this away so I bare repeating.