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- politics@lemmy.world
Some of the seven Democrats who voted for Noem say they’d now oppose her in the wake of Trump’s aggressive deportation plans and last week’s incident involving Sen. Alex Padilla.
Five days after Donald Trump’s inauguration, seven Senate Democrats voted to confirm Kristi Noem to lead the Department of Homeland Security.
Nearly 5 months later, most of them are critical of her, with some going as far as to say they regret their votes.
“I’m very disappointed. I’m very disappointed in her,” Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., told NBC News this week. “If I were voting on her today, I definitely wouldn’t vote for her.”
Freshman Sen. Andy Kim, D-N.J., also said he would vote differently and oppose her nomination if he could do it again.
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If you’re that smooth brained that you voted for her you should be kicked out of office immediately and your post should be made available for somebody with an IQ that is larger than my shoe size.
There. Is. No. Excuse.
Same for voting for any of trumps nominees
And yet EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT has voted to confirm at least one of Trump’s nominees.
Come on, no one is this dumb. The senators knew they’d do this from the moment they voted to confirm. This is just premeditated political backtracking to fix as much damage as they can now that they’ve received their reciprocal favors.
Indeed. Any Democrat who voted for that piece of shit should be primaried.
Better, they should resign, go home, and self-immolate.
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Do nothing democrats holy shit my god I can’t breathe
America is hopeless
Yooo, Democratic Senators, fuck youuuu!
Signed, an independent US citizen who has repeatedly voted for your shitty controlled opposition candidates because it was glaringly obvious to me SEVERAL YEARS AGO that anything Trump brings to the table is significantly worse for humanity than your bland business as usual.
Like, Trump was so, so bad that in retrospect it makes more sense that HE was the controlled opposition so that status quo capitalist corporate democrats could win their elections and keep the people “happy enough” while letting the elites play their games.
But no. Now he is much worse, mask-off, nominating unqualified morons and traitors to help administrate the federal government, and you fuckups in the “at least we aren’t an openly bigoted death cult” party did not stop it in cases where you could have.
trump was
Literally a plot by the clinton campaign, yes. They thought he’d be an easy win, even for her, after ratfucking sanders.
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Have you considered that them not stopping it when they could have is because we didn’t vote for them afterwards, so they didn’t have power before the election?
Ummm…what?
So, are you saying that they voted to confirm her out of…spite? And you are presenting that as an argument on their defense???
Are you…an idiot?
No, just that it’s our fault they keep throwing every opportunity to resist.
i hope you get to tell this to a tribunal that tries you for cooperating with fascists once this is over
Americans will pack the tribunal with judges instead of antifascists.
Is there a route for impeachment? I’m sure it won’t go anywhere with the Republicans in control of house n Senate, but at least get it on the record and get the country talking about her incompetence and psychopathy and how someone so unqualified ended up in that position
Embarrass the enablers as much as possible.
There aren’t even close to enough votes to impeach.
You are probably correct. It should still be proposed. Get it on the record and get the country talking about her incompetence and psychopathy and how someone so unqualified ended up in that position
Embarrass the enablers as much as possible.
Good morning, idiots. Did it never cross your little minds that a Trumpist candidate could be anything but pure shit on legs?
Exactly. This is why I have so little respect for Democrats these days. They go on TV and call red alert and say Trump is awful and Trump is horrible and we all have to do everything we can to oppose Trump, and then they go ahead and rubber stamp his candidates and his agenda, refusing to use political options that are very much open to them create the opposition they are so loudly claiming is necessary.
If Trump is truly that awful, they could simply refuse to confirm his candidates, make them fight tooth and nail and bargain with them for every single vote.
But they did not. So the only conclusions are either a, they did not actually feel Trump was awful and all the red alert press conferences were just performant political theater, or b, they have not actually stood up for real principle or wielded real power in so long they don’t remember how to do it.IMO, it was performative. I think the Democratic Party for the most part is controlled opposition for the owner-class. It’s foolish to continue to support them, or really any facet of this oppressive government.
Clean 'em all out and let’s build anew.
Yup. We need a new party, with the goal of overhauling the political system so that we aren’t stuck with Geronocrats nor Turdpublicans. First past the post has led to being forced to choose between a log and diarrhea.
Vote Drumph and his various human shaped Cabinet butt plugs out of power first. As shockingly bad as the dems are, the GOP is still far worse.
Nobody said they weren’t, but they amount to the same problem in reality. I’m also tired of doing the same thing over and over and expecting new results. We’ve done it your way for decades and all they do is capture all leftward pressure and defuse it. Forcing our march ever rightward. They work for the owner class, not for you or me.
We’re in this situation because of your line of thinking. On average there are 40% of eligible voters that don’t vote, and that’s in the Presidential race only. It’s much higher for nearly all offices, outside of the ones we vote on every 4 years. I believe this apathy is brought about because these people see no value in voting, as it changes nothing meaningful in their lives. This isn’t to say that they weren’t better, but anytime they had to make progressive moves, they make conservative ones that benefit the owner class.
At some point it’s time to wake up and do something different.
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Nope. Your line of thinking keeps him in power forever. Drumph must GO, asap. Worry about the rest afterwards.
I’m not a Trump fan. But I’ve been an adult long enough to remember this being said about just about every election. That yeah we should do better we will eventually do better but not this time, right now it’s most important to get rid of the other party or make them lose the election no matter what. It’s the same thing every few years.
It’s like hitting the snooze button over and over and over again, if you keep hitting it eventually your alarm times out or you just end up late for work.
Funny. I’m 70 years old and have never heard that argument before. It’s also funny that you consider 2 week Donnie and his daily fuckups, as somehow equal to other, actually sane and somewhat competent presidents. Only 100+ days in, and the damage he has already inflicted is incalculable. USA will never recover it’s international reputation and prestige, ever. He and his gang of billionaire incompetents have destroyed millions of lives, and now he’s working on starting WW3. Only a magat would find equivalency here, Mr “I’m not a trump fan” LOL.
With respect, if you’ve never in 70 years heard the argument that ‘this specific election is too important, we have to nominate the best chance to beat the other guy’, then you must either not be paying attention or your memory is failing you.
In fact, go back to 2016 and that is exactly what happened. Hillary was seen as the ‘safe’ option to put up against Trump, Bernie was the ‘radical candidate who wouldn’t get broad popular support’.I am NOT drawing an equivalence between Donald Trump and other presidents. I am talking purely about campaigns and the discourse about them.
I don’t like Trump, but he’s on his second term. He’s done. He’s not running for election again. The question is, what do we do in 2028? Who do we put forward for the nation’s consideration?
Is it going to be another Hillary / Kamala type ‘safe’ candidate? Because they haven’t done so well of late.
Or is it going to be somebody who has a strong message of principle, someone who can energize millions in the same way that Barack Obama did and Donald Trump did more recently?
Propaganda is one hell of a drug, ain’t it?
Sure is :(
WTAF. This is some real Susan Collins type of energy.
Did they furrow their brows? Wring their hands?
“We wouldn’t had confirned her if we knew about her massive cocaine habit.”
Technically Dems didn’t confirm her. Every dem voted nay on several cabinet picks, such as fox news anchor Pete Hegseth who also lost 3 GOP votes and was still confirmed.
Even those that voted to confirm Noem had a net zero impact.
Even those that voted to confirm Noem had a net zero impact
So then why vote for instead of against??
Better question, why waste time talking about it?
Because it shows their terrible decision making and love of helping republicans
None of this would be happening if people didn’t vote Republicans into power, and very few of these cabinet picks would pass with a simple DNC senate majority.
Why blame Democrats for things Republicans do?
None of this would be happening if
people didn’t vote Republicans into power, and very few of these cabinet picks would pass with a simple DNC senate majority.dems did more than just be republicans lite or controlled opposition.Why blame Democrats for things Republicans do?
Why do dems keep working with or compromising with Republicans?
Whenever the DNC gets into power we get expanded medical coverage, consumer protections, union contracts which favor the workers, environmental protections and the IRS audits the rich. And that’s without even proper majorities without caucus.
You’ve intentionally blinded yourself to reality.
Too fucking bad.
Your regret is worth no more than any regret expressed by US voters who voted for Chump.
Like those US voters, you knew what you’d get, you were warned, you were told, and you ignored all of that and did it anyway for whatever chickenshit reasons you may have had at the time.
Fuck. Right. Off. Shove your “guilt/regret/whatever” straight up your collective ass.
Fucking tired of Dems “saying the right things” and saying it too late when they can’t undo what they did and are simply attempting to rehabilitate their reputation. You have no reputation to rehabilitate, you ultimate performative cowards.
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Your regret
you knew
you were warned
you were told
you ignored
Shove your “guilt/regret/whatever”
You have no reputation
you ultimate performative cowards
Do you think you’re writing to them directly? Brah…we have news for you.
Ya don’t say……
Oh my fucking god the DNC is so goddamn feckless. It damages my calm whenever I think about it.
I’m half convinced the DNC is a conservative psyop
The Democrats are a conservative party. They want to get back to the days when the parties had no ideological differences and were just clubs that voters picked personalities they liked most.
That ended during the progressive era, when some politicians (in both parties) got ideas about making the country better for working class people. The Republicans had more friends that were rich as fuck so they started propaganda campaigns among Republican voters and the progressive Republicans were primaried out of office.
Now the Democrats are stuck with the leftist label they don’t really want. Some of their voters do, but only some. American voters want leftist policies to be enacted but are allergic to leftist politicians and organizing.
the DNC is as hostile to the american people as Republicans are. Its time to stop pretending they arent, the DNC is just a weaker, more pathetic arm of the RNC
Thats the dumbest pile of garbage I read all week. The republicans are actively destroying your country, using the military against protestors, ignoring rulings made by judges and much more.
Democrats are not fighting hard enough against it but to claim they are both the same is insanity. Srsly americans really are so stupid, they deserve everything they get.
I AGREE! The Democrats are NOT to blame For HELPING Confirm the People Destroying our Country while doing NOTHING to Slow them Down EXCEPT for Giving them LITERALLY Whatever they Want!
They may not be the “same”, but the outcome over the arc of several congressional terms and presidential administrations effectively is. No fascist power comes to primacy without a neoliberal faction suppressing policy reforms for the working class and coordinating with fascists to protect corruption.
Like I said they dont do enough. Yet they are the only ones who can do something and everyone who legally could but did not vote for Harris is responsible for this and deserves what is happening
And thanks to democrats voting alongside with confirming a lot of positions and other things republicans wanted, They were able to do that.
So how about you fuck off with this hand wringing bullshit about the poor innocent democrats who are inviting the nazi’s to sit at their table, to eat, and be merry?
How about you fuck off with acting like democrats are as evil as republicans? People like you are the reason Trump won. If you have not voted for democrats in the last election you are just as responsible as every Trump voter and deserve what you are getting.
Go lick boots elsewhere, troll.
Now, take it with grain of salt but as far as I, as a outsider, see it…
The biggest difference between Democrats and Republicans is the amount of balls. Republicans have the balls, and are willing to smack them to the wall to get what they want.
Democrats instead prefer to taking the easiest possible way out and not do anything. But at the end of the day, both are liking where this circus is going.
Nah. Democrats at least want to keep the status quo, the good ones want to improve things. Libertarians and republicans actively want to worsen stuff. Both want even more power for corperations. Republicans want fascism.
At some point we will have to recognize that they are not feckless, they are working in concert.
Enhance your calm, John Spartan!
We need a general strike
We need an opposition party
We need to arm ourselves
Build a support network in your community.
Start yesterday if you can. Start doing it now if you can’t.
Start a garden, make tools, do whatever you can to make you and your neighbors a little more self sufficient.
We need a general strike. We need to be prepared first
I think a general strike would be a good kicking off point, but too little too late.
And yeah it’s gonna take a bit to mobilize
It is never too late. It might be late to prevent but not to fight back. Even at times of martial law there is always something you can do to fight.
DNC has proven their uselessness over and over. You can only send so many strongly worded letters. How many hearing do they need where they berate the person and nothing changes. They are complicit at this point. They are just fine with everything that is happening. All they do is theater to show how “upset” they are.
I think the destiny of the Geronocrats is all but sealed.
