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    I’m getting reports further down, I have no idea if what anyone says is true or not. It’s borderline rule 5, but not quite there. This is a strong reminder to hate the argument, not the arguer.

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    • Public Roads
    • Police
    • Fire Departments
    • Social Security for retirees

    This is also socialism (not communism, he’s an idiot). I hate that socialism/communism = evil got shoved down our collective throats so goddamn hard in the middle of last century that people still fucking believe it without thought. Whatever keeps the capitalist hellscape grinding us into the dirt I guess, the old guard on both sides are still happy as hell to villainize social programs paid for by fucking tax dollars, and the tubes are too ignorant to understand that when everyone benefits that includes themselves.

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      I had an argument with an American once over whether health care should be free or not. They’re so brainwashed into thinking that they’ll somehow be disadvantaged by a universal healthcare system even when they’re paying out their ass for private health insurance, and at the same time blaming patrons of their restaurant who don’t tip enough for their poor income while happily accepting minimum wage from their employer. It’s absolutely mental.

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        We Americans have that hammered into our heads every day of our lives. Along with “God loves us but doesn’t want us to have sex.” and “America is the greatest, freeest [intentional mis-spelling] country on Earth”.

        Takes a while to realize all of this is bunk. Many never realize it.

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          It’s true, this place fucking sucks. Welcome to America where you’re free to fuck off and die, here’s your bill, and if you dare have an abortion we’ll throw your routing carcass in jail and bill the infant for it.

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            Welcome to America where you’re free to fuck off and die

            Technically, you’re only free to die if it’s slow and painful. If you try to hurry it along they’ll imprison you for attempting suicide. :-/

            /s

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    This is why they figured out in Lakota culture many years ago that it’s not safe to use sarcasm in your language. Some people might not get it and that makes them feel left out. Others may think dumb things are true so it can only make your whole culture dumber and unable to know what is true or misinformation. The entire sarcastic subtype of comedy is basically just not done, condoned, or laughed at which I think it’s pretty awesome

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      What we really should have:

      Fully automated luxury gay space communism!

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        I’ll believe it when I see it. Not to say that I’m not willing to give it a shot, fuck knows what we’re doing now isn’t fucking working.

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          We have never found a perfect political/economic system. That’s why it’s so important that we continue to evolve what we have to be better. I feel like this has stalled out in this country and we are seeing the fallout live.

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          You realize there are currently concentration camps in the US eating Americans’ tax dollars right?

          The problems that the soviet union had weren’t exclusive to communism, they were exclusive to corruption.

          While either system can become corrupted by bad actors, ideologically, capitalism rewards selfishness, and individualism, while communism encourages sharing and community.

          At its base, capitalism is literally impossible without exploitation of the surplus value workers create. Capitalism cannot exist without profit, and profit cannot exist without stealing money from workers.

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            Stop taking everyone for an American.

            Also: you just had to shoehorn in a whatabout the USA in there hadn’t you. Got no other arguments? 😁

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          And Guantanamo Bay, black sites, Alligator Auschwitz, and the American prison population confirms the downsides of capitalism?

          One shit iteration of “communism” that by definition didn’t meet any of the requirements to be called communism can’t be held up forever to be the boogeyman to prevent progress.

          Communism (from Latin communis ‘common, universal’)[1][2] is a sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement,[1] whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered on common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products in society based on need.[3][4][5] A communist society entails the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state.[7][8][9]

          The USSR:

          • Common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange - not achieved, state owned but not common owned
          • Allocates products in society based on need - not achieved
          • Absence of private property - partially achieved, state owned
          • Absence of social classes - not achieved
          • Absence of money - not achieved
          • Absence of the state - fucking lol

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism

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          Someone has filled your head with propaganda.

          The gulags were the just the name of their prison system and most of them were actually west of the Caucasus.

          Oh, and America now imprisons more people (by numbers and per capita) than the USSR ever did.

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            Also America’s prison system is for profit, encouraging them to incarcerate as many people as possible.

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            You are at beast don’t know what you’re talking about. Иисправительно-трудовые лагерея (ЛАГ in GULAG) are specifically, namely, explicitly concentration camps that used forced labour to kill people. It’s very distinct from the regular prison system, which used inhuman conditions to kill people at lower rates.

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            The gulags were concentration camps my dude, people got sent there for breaking laws like “criticism of the government”. Most “prisoners” died there.

            Also, you just couldn’t not make a “whatabout the USA” lol. Such a trope.

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              Ah yes when discussing history you can only discuss the specific time period and CANNOT make any comparisons to modern day otherwise some idiot lemmy computer janitor will say it’s a trope or a fallacy or some stupid shit

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    I don’t care what you call it, I want that. Call it doodoo pickle butting, if it offers that, sign me up for everyone else too.

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      Thats the thing, im past the stupid naming and everything. I just want policies that help people and not billionaires. Call it marxism, stalinism, whatever the fuck you want.

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        It’s a pathetic attempt to rile the old people who remember the cold war propaganda against communism and socialism. While young people are like “So what?”

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          I have a 20-something son who basically grew up with MAGA shitting on everything. From his perspective ( and his friends), they don’t see anything wrong with trying out Socialism/ Marxism/ Communism. They feel like the current system of “Democratic Capitalism” has led to the rise of vicious MAGA Nazis, and weak Democratic defenders of our Nation, with the majority of Americans suffering to some degree, so why are we fighting so hard to preserve it?

          When we emerge from the other side of this, don’t expect America to go back to anything resembling what it was before.

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            When we emerge from the other side of this, don’t expect America to go back to anything resembling what it was before.

            One can only hope so. What we had before wasn’t great either and pretty much lead to how things are now.

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              Exactly. In a way, we agree with MAGA, it’s time for a change. They took the initiative, and turned the country in their direction, which is evil, by any definition.

              The Establishment Democrats were asleep at the wheel while this played out over 40 years, despite many warnings and steady escalations. Now, we have arrived at their Promised Land, and it is as ugly as they promised, and as a student of history, I promise you it WILL get a lot uglier, likely far beyond any of our imaginations.

              We can’t return to the Status Quo, because that WAS the problem. We need to create a new Paradigm, one that will not be afraid to ferociously defend Liberty from Traitors, Crooks, and worse.

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          Yeah sadly that doesnt work here in eastern europe because communism and even social democratism(what this actually is) is associated with the ussr which was a truly horrible regime.

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            Eastern Europeans are some of the most gullible people on earth. Stalin never even claimed that the USSR had achieved communism, yet somehow every grandma in his “state socialist” empire thinks full communism was reached and the state withered away like Marx predicted. They believe lies he never even told.

            I understand that’s the power of propaganda, but damn… It’s been 40 years and most of them never bothered to sit down and learn what a communism is. I can’t imagine being that willfully ignorant.

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              can’t imagine being that willfully ignorant.

              I have some trump supporting neighbors I’d like to introduce you to.

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              Stalin never even claimed that the USSR had achieved communism, yet somehow every grandma in his “state socialist” empire thinks full communism was reached and the state withered away like Marx predicted. They believe lies he never even told.

              He did claim to be communist though - as in, he is ideologically driven to attempt to bring about communism. So calling the USSR “communist” is 100% correct. And naturally, what do you call life under communists? Communism! (This is wrong, but it’s an understandable switch-up).

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                Well, that’s where I have to disagree with Stalin’s official narrative. I don’t think he was a communist, I think he was an opportunist with no ideology beyond personal empowerment. I think he’d have said he believed in anything if it gave him more power.

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                  To elaborate on the evidence for this:

                  Marx said after the workers seize the state, it should become unnecessary and wither away. Stalin was the primary person in charge of overseeing this process. He should have been encouraging the development of community governance. Helping set up neighbourhood watches so he could defund the police. Granting power over workplaces to the trade unions. Encouraging the gift economy to grow to the point that the ruble could be cancelled. These were always the steps in the plan to get from the USSR to a communist system.

                  Stalin didn’t want to do that, because it would have made him less powerful. Instead of defunding the police, he expanded their powers. Instead of empowering the trade unions, he put down workers’ revolts. This is the opposite of communism.

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    Taxed and have it spent on genocide abroad.

    Taxed and spent on you.

    It’s your choice.

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    +1 for nitter screenshots.

    I don’t like contributing to Twitter in any way, but Nitter + screenshot undermines it enough to warm my heart. And informs others they can do the same!

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    You are a special kind of stupid (and brainwashed) if you think any of those things listed are bad