I’m getting reports further down, I have no idea if what anyone says is true or not. It’s borderline rule 5, but not quite there. This is a strong reminder to hate the argument, not the arguer.
i wish communism was as cool as republicans make it sound
It’s even cooler
I’ll believe it when I see it. Not to say that I’m not willing to give it a shot, fuck knows what we’re doing now isn’t fucking working.
We have never found a perfect political/economic system. That’s why it’s so important that we continue to evolve what we have to be better. I feel like this has stalled out in this country and we are seeing the fallout live.
The gulags in Siberia confirms!
You realize there are currently concentration camps in the US eating Americans’ tax dollars right?
The problems that the soviet union had weren’t exclusive to communism, they were exclusive to corruption.
While either system can become corrupted by bad actors, ideologically, capitalism rewards selfishness, and individualism, while communism encourages sharing and community.
At its base, capitalism is literally impossible without exploitation of the surplus value workers create. Capitalism cannot exist without profit, and profit cannot exist without stealing money from workers.
Stop taking everyone for an American.
Also: you just had to shoehorn in a whatabout the USA in there hadn’t you. Got no other arguments? 😁
Then don’t read that part, it doesn’t change the rest of what I said.
Whereas your entire comment was a whatabout the soviet union?
Just had to argue against a strawman, eh? Weird ass thought process when I was just meeting you at your own level, bruv.
And Guantanamo Bay, black sites, Alligator Auschwitz, and the American prison population confirms the downsides of capitalism?
One shit iteration of “communism” that by definition didn’t meet any of the requirements to be called communism can’t be held up forever to be the boogeyman to prevent progress.
Communism (from Latin communis ‘common, universal’)[1][2] is a sociopolitical, philosophical, and economic ideology within the socialist movement,[1] whose goal is the creation of a communist society, a socioeconomic order centered on common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange that allocates products in society based on need.[3][4][5] A communist society entails the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state.[7][8][9]
The USSR:
- Common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange - not achieved, state owned but not common owned
- Allocates products in society based on need - not achieved
- Absence of private property - partially achieved, state owned
- Absence of social classes - not achieved
- Absence of money - not achieved
- Absence of the state - fucking lol
Someone has filled your head with propaganda.
The gulags were the just the name of their prison system and most of them were actually west of the Caucasus.
Oh, and America now imprisons more people (by numbers and per capita) than the USSR ever did.
Also America’s prison system is for profit, encouraging them to incarcerate as many people as possible.
You are at beast don’t know what you’re talking about. Иисправительно-трудовые лагерея (ЛАГ in GULAG) are specifically, namely, explicitly concentration camps that used forced labour to kill people. It’s very distinct from the regular prison system, which used inhuman conditions to kill people at lower rates.
The gulags were concentration camps my dude, people got sent there for breaking laws like “criticism of the government”. Most “prisoners” died there.
Also, you just couldn’t not make a “whatabout the USA” lol. Such a trope.
Ah yes when discussing history you can only discuss the specific time period and CANNOT make any comparisons to modern day otherwise some idiot lemmy computer janitor will say it’s a trope or a fallacy or some stupid shit
You are factually incorrect.
What we really should have:
Fully automated luxury gay space communism!
Powerbottomin to end poverty and sickness
I’d be down for that
Wow, he wants to provide people dignity and a high quality of life. How terrifying.
Taxed and have it spent on genocide abroad.
Taxed and spent on you.
It’s your choice.
- Public Roads
- Police
- Fire Departments
- Social Security for retirees
This is also socialism (not communism, he’s an idiot). I hate that socialism/communism = evil got shoved down our collective throats so goddamn hard in the middle of last century that people still fucking believe it without thought. Whatever keeps the capitalist hellscape grinding us into the dirt I guess, the old guard on both sides are still happy as hell to villainize social programs paid for by fucking tax dollars, and the tubes are too ignorant to understand that when everyone benefits that includes themselves.
I had an argument with an American once over whether health care should be free or not. They’re so brainwashed into thinking that they’ll somehow be disadvantaged by a universal healthcare system even when they’re paying out their ass for private health insurance, and at the same time blaming patrons of their restaurant who don’t tip enough for their poor income while happily accepting minimum wage from their employer. It’s absolutely mental.
We Americans have that hammered into our heads every day of our lives. Along with “God loves us but doesn’t want us to have sex.” and “America is the greatest, freeest [intentional mis-spelling] country on Earth”.
Takes a while to realize all of this is bunk. Many never realize it.
It’s true, this place fucking sucks. Welcome to America where you’re free to fuck off and die, here’s your bill, and if you dare have an abortion we’ll throw your routing carcass in jail and bill the infant for it.
Welcome to America where you’re free to fuck off and die
Technically, you’re only free to die if it’s slow and painful. If you try to hurry it along they’ll imprison you for attempting suicide. :-/
/s
The checkmark is an idiot self-identification tool.
Ah, yes, famously communists love to… open grocery stores?
They actually do. They will all have the same stuff and it will have a low price.
That is basically step two after forming a council.
The stuff: empty shelves.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/cia-rdp85m00363r000601440024-5.pdf
The CIA itself said otherwise in 1983
There are a lot of good reasons to criticize socialists states like the USSR, namely the silencing of political dissent and gulags. But standard of living isn’t one of those good reasons.
And Cuba provides a good modern model:
https://cuba-solidarity.org.uk/cubasi/article/75/feeding-the-revolution
https://www.agritecture.com/blog/2019/11/28/cubas-urban-farming-shows-way-to-avoid-hunger
Lol Cuba provides a good modern model, I’d laugh if it wasn’t such a horrible regime. I guess you hate LGBT+ or you think it’s okay to do so.
But I’m just taking in the wind here, bye Stalinists and other tankies, one day you’ll get it.
Strawman
All of them are fucking awesome! Sign me up!
This so-called “fear mongering” isn’t directed to the broad US population, it is targeting the preexisting bias of lowest common denominator target audience of the right.
Lol
see, shit like this is what ended up cementing my opinion as a commie. thats literally fucking awesome.
and its for once, actual communism being described by the chuds.
No, communism is moneyless. No minimum wage in communism
you are correct. i was thinking of socialism.
i used the word interchangeably. in my defense i slipped, i try not to.
Because he’s reading from his open positions of awesome stuff
isn’t it kinda funny? dude just reads from a bullet point list and hates the stuff without giving a single thought about it, because he is supposed to hate it.
Love the air quotes around “free” stuff literally everyone needs or benefits from combined with tax hikes.
Yeah, bro, that’s what pays for it, you’ve figured it out! The cunning plot to provide basic social services supported by a balanced budget!
This is why they figured out in Lakota culture many years ago that it’s not safe to use sarcasm in your language. Some people might not get it and that makes them feel left out. Others may think dumb things are true so it can only make your whole culture dumber and unable to know what is true or misinformation. The entire sarcastic subtype of comedy is basically just not done, condoned, or laughed at which I think it’s pretty awesome
it’s not safe to use sarcasm
Learning this myself the hard way.
Up until the communism part I thought they were endorsing him.
I mean, maybe they are a communist, and like the ideas and are endorsing him!
dont you mean marxist part.
If Communism is when wages go up and cost of living goes down, what is Capitalism?
assets get concentrated, rent goes up
That’s just the efficiency of the free market. Mamdani would ruin a perfect system.
This system is already about as perfect as I can handle
Next step: Everything goes to shit for normal people, they vote for fascists. Fascists take over, and people get concentrated as well, into camps.
What’s the rent there like and what happens to my student l*ans and is life outside the camp worth living anyway?
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief. “Bad news, detective. We got a situation.” “What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?” “Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.” The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?” “Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.” “Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.” He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.” “Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.” I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside. “Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t. “Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up. “Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?” It didn’t seem like they did. “Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.” Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing. I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it. “Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled. Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him. “Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen. I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!” He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose. “All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.” “Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy. “Because I was afraid.” “Afraid?” “Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.” I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head. “Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.” He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.
Some classic pasta right there.
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“I’m a central banker.” I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner.
My favorite part lol
Existence, privatized.
cost of living goes up quality of living goes up (for some) and the poor get poorer
Y’know what always annoys me about this type of statement (aside from it being socialism and not communism lol) is the amount of tax it takes isn’t even that much in the grand scheme of things, PLUS it generally pays for itself in not having to imprison people or treat emergency room visits, etc.
People just have a very hard time grasping governmental budgets, though. The cost of paying for 200k housing sounds like a lot but man is it not compared to some of the other shit we waste money on.
*social democracy
PLUS it generally pays for itself
That’s just how taxes work when done right: you take some money from everyone to make everything better so that it’s cheaper for most people to be alive.
SNAP, for example, benefits the economy to the tune of at least $7 for every dollar invested. That’s the kind of return on investment that makes greedy fucks like Pitbull cream their pants.
I heard preschool is around $8 per dollar, although it’s maybe even higher than that. Basically, ya. Frustrating when people can’t see the forest from the trees.
FYI, the user in the screenshot is not Pitbull the artist.
We can refer to him, the artist, as “Mr. Worldwide” to reduce confusion.
Still sounds like a greedy fuck so the point stands 🤷
The nypd is larger and better equipped than many national armies. The city of new york could cut them by 15%, still have a credible army and minimal navy, and fund all of this plus tax cuts.
Whoa. Is this true?! What? No. Please no.
34k-ish sworn members. They have more boots and better arms than a lot of small nations.
“But at 8 million, also a larger population than some nations”, @lars@lemmy.sdf.org added defensively.
It might just be cost? Idr the exavt statistic, and i know most cops get paid 6 figures, which i assume mos[ soldiers do not.
Based on the ads I see on the subway, NYPD correctional officers start in the mid‑US$50Ks.
Thwy write their own time sheets including overtime. So they can crack half a million if they’re greedy (with multipliers, like 9th+ hour on a holiday)
Yeah, but then they can’t line their pockets with tax money if it actually benefits people.
