Surely “fuck off you stupid cunt” is the only reasonable response to such a request?
Exactly. I would NEVER “prove” anything to anyone. The proper response is to collect their name, the manager’s name, and hire a lawyer to send a letter to corporate.
If you’re a minor being questioned like this, start screaming PEDO. Guaranteed they back down once they realize what she said and what they’re doing is quite disturbing
Guaranteed they back down once they realize what she said and what they’re doing is quite disturbing
Cruelty isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. MAGA has a massive cruelty hardon. The dumbth voted for this because they are seething with resentment at being made to feel stupid (by the “intellectual elites”) and backwards (by progressives) and ignorant (by the informed) and intolerant (by the woke). You can literally hear what they’re pissed about in the names that they call people. They WANT people hurt. They WANT revenge. THIS is what the dumbth want.
Well, I want THEM hurt too! I want them to get the peeeerfect caricature of what they believe in, and watch them suffer under.
I want them to be smarter and less hateful. They would be a lot happier if they worked to improve themselves instead of trying to tear everyone else down.
Nope, shout “Fire”. No one comes for rape, I doubt anymore come for pedo. But fire? They’ll come.
I feel like yelling fire will make people run away, not toward.
You would think. But no, apparently most human beings are kinda weird, and mostly stupid. Just look at how people behave behind the wheel of a car, when they are driving past an accident. It could be someone turned into a meat crayon, or looking like Anakin Skywalker after Obi Wan cuts his legs off. People not only break sharply to see whats going on, everyone behind them does as well. Usually creating very slowed down traffic for miles if there enough of them.
I think it has something to do with getting involved. Rape, you have to get involved. Pedo, you have to get involved, fire? You can just watch. I mean, dont quote me on that. Thats just a guess as to why it happens.
Don’t yell Rape, or every MAGA will come running to join in.
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She’s not a minor.
You think the genital police can tell the difference between an adult and a child?
I’ll remember this when I’m an 18 year old minor
This is fully sexual assault
But it is for their own good. Without measures like this, they might end up in bathrooms with perv… hey wait a minute. 💡
The craziest part to me is as a parent I’ve gone in the opposite gendered bathroom so many times because places won’t put changing tables in the mens rooms. I’ve never had anyone bat an eye at it either
A mom with a baby isn’t who they want to murder.
What was the computer doing in the bathroom in the first place?
And this is in a state with no anti-trans bathroom laws. This server has no excuse other than being a complete piece of shit. Wish they’d name and shame her.
Based on the article the server is a woman.
“She made me feel very uncomfortable,” Mudra said. “After that, I just don’t like going in public bathrooms. I just hold it in. … I want to be able to use the bathroom in peace.”
My point still stands, but thank you for the correction. Fixed.
It’s gross that the victim of this scenario is now made public and yet the sexual abuser identity here is protected? Wtf.
It’s also worth mentioning Buffalo wild wings in the comments. Because they apparently don’t have enough policy to keep their servers from trying to gender check people.
It’s also worth mentioning there’s only one BWW in Owatonna, Minn.
I doubt there are two of anything in Owatanna. Except maybe Holiday (gas station owned by Couche-Tard)
The Republican way
She should press charges for harrassment.
I consider this a sexual act on a minor, so file a police report.
She’s 18. It’s the second word after the headline.
Yah but, like, she works in a coal mine.
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4096?
42 actually
But they didn’t know that. So file anyway 😈
can we switch to gender neutral bathrooms please?
But can you prove your gender is neutral? 🧐
All I know is that my genitals say “maybe”
Two magic 8 balls and one of those tubes that goes wuuueaugh when inverted
What makes genitals go neutral?
Lust for gold? Power?
No, my gender is hostile.
Then you need to use the one with a picture of a goose on the door
It’s when your crotch is flat, obviously, like a playmobil
If you’re completely flat then there’s your proof
You can show them your flat pics
I’m as anatomically impaired as a Ken doll.
Alternative version: you show them your intersex official member card™️
Yes
In a society where women are often harassed, many women use bathrooms to escape men, even if just for a few moments of peace.
The problem is, with women like this server around, you can still get harassed in the bathroom even with no men present. So I’m not sure it has much value as a refuge at this point.
My wife has shared so many crazy stories of shit going down in women’s restrooms. Like, men just do their business and get out. It’s one of the few things you could argue isn’t toxic about masculinity
There was a place in Japan I went to that had 2 bathrooms: one gender neutral and one women’s room. I don’t know if that solves everyone’s problems (or anyone’s) but I thought it was interesting.
Everywhere needs at least one single occupancy gender neutral restroom.
But saying that, I’ve been harassed while trying to use a porta potty. Can’t win for losing.
If you’re being harassed, I feel like going is a closed space like a bathroom is probably the worst idea possible
Who in the world said servers are authorized to demand such a thing?
She apparently was a self-appointed bathroom gender-inspector. Transphobes feeling bold these days.
They’ve got the iron fist of a dictatorship behind them.
They need an iron fist in the face.
Username checks out
They’ve got the tiny fist of a wanna-be dictator behind them.
We’re not there yet. Not quite…
He should be arrested and charged with sexaual assault of a minor. Fucking pedophile. What restaurant? They should be hounded for employing a pedophile.
It’s like the first line in the article. Buffalo Wild Wings.
It’s in the summary if you didn’t open the article as well. Says 18 and Buffalo Wild Wings. There seems to be an increase of accounts saying random remarks that could look bad, or bad talking anyone left of MAGA and saying things that would only sow doubt or cause division.
2024 there was always clashing between the left and the Democrats and a bunch of name calling of centrists and what not… But it simmered down it seemed. I have a feeling we are only going to see it pick back up slowly until it’s all division again in 2026.
She, and the victim was 18 and clearly an adult.
Yeah, newsflash women can be monsters as well!
True, but it does make her not a male pedophile, just a creep in a bathroom harassing other women
It was a woman.
Did she prove it?
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And the victim is not a minor.
Transphobes feeling bold these days.
Are there any repricussions to them behaving this way?
We don’t even know if the server is a transphobe, maybe it was just an excuse for them to demand to see a child’s genitals.
Yeah, the pedophiles are pretty empowered right now. It’s absolutely insane what’s going on.
republican nazis and democrat asskissers and pushover cosplaying liberals let all this happen.
Still pretending like you leftists didn’t directly help lead the country to a shit hole by your Jill Stein votes or your non-votes?
Leftists? How’s Gaza looking? Your inaction is why they will be starved to death.
But whatever helps you sleep at night.
Do you realize how small a percentage this actually is?
Only 33% of the pop lives in swing states, only about half of those are Democrats, only about 2% are defectors. You are bitching about 1/3 of 1% of the pop.
You know who’s to blame for Trump? Trump voters.
What we’re seeing here is multiple layers of cowardice. Too cowardly to vote for what you actually believe in, and then too cowardly to go engage with actual Trump voters, so instead you hang around here trying to bully progressives into toeing the party line of a party that doesn’t represent them.
Incidentally,
But whatever helps you sleep at night.
I’ve started noticing a pattern with these “don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos” posts, where they almost always finish with a stock guilt-trip phrase like this, or “I hope you’re happy” or similar, and not just on Lemmy. And I don’t mean every now and then, I mean like, I see these posts formatted the same way regularly, often in threads that are barely relevant to it. Basically, I’m pretty sure that there’s a bot farm posting these messages on behalf of someone trying to maintain the two-party system.
Exactly. At this point, anyone still bitching about anti-genocide voters in the 2024 election should be assumed to be a conservative or Russian bot.
I’m not sure it necessarily stands to reason that they’d be a conservative or Russian specifically, unless they ran the numbers and concluded that all this “I hope you’re happy with what you did, you Nazi” vitriol would turn people away from the Democratic Party far more than it would whip them into line.
No people are just pissed at third party frauds who helped bury the country. But go ahead with your fake purity
Maybe people should be mad at the politicans who gave up fighting for their voters, and handed the victory to Trump
Maybe more than one fact can exist. Thanks for trump though
But go ahead with your fake purity
See? They’re virtually identical the way they all end with the same collection of snide jabs, even when it’s (ostensibly) a different poster. They do it again later this thread. It’s so stark once you notice it, because you don’t see this pattern with any other political topic.
Yes I’m a bot for speaking the truth and your brainless society murder is original thought. And soooo morally pure
PSML. STILL following the same pattern three (actually four) times in a row, in a discussion about how all these two-party advocates keep ending all their posts with the exact same set of short one-liner jabs.
You couldn’t have given yourself away more if you’d written a poem about presidents visiting the beach.
Damn, even when you control all elections with gerrymandering and anti-third-party laws, you still blame third parties.
Meanwhile, here in the USA elections and law say it’s all due to our major parties. I guess you just can’t face reality, that’s sad.
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition
Maybe check your facts and stop spreading disinformation to cover for the abject failures of the DNC leadership and their chosen candidates. It’s not like we didn’t have two presidential elections prior to 2024 where the Dems lost or nearly lost to learn from yet they decided to lean into these failed strategies even harder in 2024 with very predictable results. It’s almost as if they wanted Trump to win.
I mean, “neatly lost” here is a disingenuous phrase for “won”. The 2020 election wasn’t even particularly close either, in terms of the Electoral College, which is unfortunately the only part that really.
I agree with you otherwise, so sorry for the pedantry. Dems should have definitely learned from the midterms, and they should have learned Biden was too old for a second term even before he announced he’d run again.
I’d say I hope they learn from 2024 but I doubt it.
I voted for Kamala. Do I get to criticize the republican nazis and democrat asskissers and pushover cosplaying liberals letting all this happen? Or is this the part where you tell me that any criticism of Democrats is evil and wrong and I need to commit to supporting Gavin Newsom three years in advance or I’m exactly as bad as MAGA?
I dunno a single leftist irl who didn’t vote for Kamala
I know quite a few.
You and I must hang out in different circles. Good luck gettin through to em 🫡
As it turned out, the people who withheld their vote for Kamala over the genocide didn’t actually matter in the election. Had every one of them voted for Kamala, I’m not aware of a single state that would’ve flipped. Not even Michigan
It pisses off both sides of the rift, but the genocide didn’t matter in terms of the election. Those not voting for Kamala over Gaza don’t get any credit/blame for Trump winning. ETA: I’d say they get to claim a moral victory for whatever that’s worth.
On the other hand, those who withheld their vote and are hoping the consequences of the election are going to teach the DNC or anyone a lesson are going to be sorely disappointed. No matter how passionate individuals are about the issue, the electorate gave it a collective shrug to absolutely no one’s surprise. Nothing is going to change about our Israel policy as a result of Trump’s victory.
Some day, our acceptance of the genocide is going to be seen as just as shameful as Clinton’s opposition to gay marriage and support of DA/DT. But not today. Fighting about it is just arguing with each other over scraps while the real enemy runs the kitchen.
So, I was alive when DA/DT went into effect, not sure how many people here were. The interesting thing is that as much as it was a cruel and unnecessary policy and in hindsight is completely indefensible, it actually was a step forward for gay rights. Before that the policy was you absolutely would be asked, and if you didn’t tell, you could be charged with a crime. People lost their pensions and got discharged with no benefits just for being gay. Moreover, I honestly don’t think it would have been possible at the time to get a more sensible policy through, because all the usual suspects were absolutely losing their minds about the baby step that it was.
I’m not a Bill Clinton apologist, but I kind of think he deserves a pass on that one. It’s really hard to explain how quickly the ground shifted on that issue from the 90s to the 2010s. Clinton kind of stuck his neck out for progress, as imperfect as it was.
I agree with you. Maybe that came across as anti-Clinton. In my defense, I’ve always detested the Clintons and have little interest in spending words making him look better.
I do appreciate you pointing that out. It’s a valuable lens to look back with. Still, from our perspective today, shameful, even if necessary.
Speaking as a leftist who swallowed my pride and voted for a fascist genocide supporter because for all her useless platitudes Harris was still a better option and I’m willing to admit that; go fuck yourself.
You want to know why people didn’t get behind Harris? It’s because her boss ran on rolling back the damage Trump 1.0 had done and then continued operating concentration camps on the southern border. It’s because time and time again even the radical Democrats have proven themselves to be feckless, incompetent, hand-wringing cowards who can’t be trusted to do the job they were elected for until it’s time to “compromise with Republicans” by inflating the defense budget and passing tax cuts for the wealthy. Harris would have seen her approval numbers falter and start rounding up brown folks no different from Trump, the difference being she’d have kept her mouth shut about it and so would the media until six weeks before midterms. Her platform was a gun and a nightstick with a BLM sticker tacked onto it, no different from Biden or Obama.
Biden put ZERO pressure on Israel to reign in their genocide in Gaza and Harris would have done no differently source the United States has effectively unlimited leverage in this conflict and they refuse to use it no matter which side is in office. I voted for those lying crooks despite knowing that, but I don’t blame a goddamn person for whom that was a deal breaker, it should be.
You know how Harris would have been different, she’d have been competent. She wouldn’t have tanked the economy with these ridiculous tarrifs, cozied us up to Russia, threatened and alienated our closest allies and trading partners or surged DHS’s budget to unthinkable levels, but the next Republican in office sure would have. The courts are packed, the Dems will always have a defector (just like mean old Joe Manchin), there will always be a convenient excuse why they’re so feckless and ineffectual and all electing Harris would have done is delay the inevitable by another four years. Acting like the US’ slide into authoritarianism which has been ongoing since the Wilson administration is anything new or aberrant to our current era is either wishful thinking or complete brainless ignorance of history. Trump isn’t the problem, Trump voters aren’t even the problem, this is the result of deep rooted contradictions in the very foundation of the Republic bearing their poison fruit.
All is not lost, others are getting organized, demonstrating, protesting, taking action. The only thing that gets us out of this is solidarity and mutual support but by all means, sit on your ass and continue to point fingers at others you’d seek to blame, because they were wrong and that’s all that matters right?
Fucking shitheel
OK. Good for you. Doesn’t change the fact that your counterparts didn’t.
BTW, how’s your view of DC? Looks pretty occupied nto me.
Edit: Solidarity? Haha that’s rich. Leftists stayed home. 42% of Hispanics voted for their deportation. Over 50% of white women voted to become broodmares. A sizable amount of Muslims and LGBTQ voted for their own deportation and rights be rescinded.
The only group that actually stayed the course was Black Women.
So you can take that Solidarity talk and shove it right up your ass.
So let me ask you something then, if it’s every group you’ve mentioned at fault for voting wrong or being insufficiently engaged what in the actual fuck are you hoping to accomplish by assigning blame beyond stoking your own ego?
It sounds to me like the leftist bogeyman you’re so eager to pin all this on didn’t have nearly the impact you claimed elsewhere in the thread, or is this still their fault in an election where the Republicans managed to take the popular vote?
“Leftists stayed home”, so are protest voters the reason Harris lost or is it the fact she was a hypocritical liar with a decades long career propping up the prison industrial complex? She goes on Charlemagne Tha God’s podcast laughing and joking that she never inhaled meanwhile nearly two thousand people were imprisoned on her orders for marijuana related offenses.
“Though she defended marijuana’s use for medicinal purposes as district attorney, her prosecutors in San Francisco convicted more than 1,900 people on cannabis-related offenses.”
I’m not sure how you’re able to type with your head rammed so far up your own ass but if you manage to get some fresh air you should realize that no amount of celebrities at the DNC is going to make up for the liberal establishment’s failures on every single issue that matters. By the way, why the actual fuck didn’t Obama push for codification of Roe? Why the hell did the entire blue team roll over for McConnell and allow the Republicans to stall Merrick Garland’s supreme court nomination? Speaking of Garland why didn’t that spineless coward prosecute Trump when he had the chance? Because they’re complicit, we’re already seeing the presumptive nominee sprint to the right on every single issue that matters to progressives, if our vote actually made a difference the Democrats would actually do something to earn it but we make such a convenient scapegoat when they lose don’t we?
You’re a rube
TLDR;
Virtue signal all you want but it won’t change the fact that ANY OPTION was more stable than Trump and when American needed people like you, you failed.
Bringing better candidates only works when the system works and this system was teetering on the brink of collapse that we didn’t have time to do “purity tests” that the left does constantly for its candidates.
But I’m sure the LGBTQ community appreciates your concern for Gaza. ;)
Edit: Fun fact, Medicaid funding is primarily what Foster kids use for services. It would be a shame if that was slashed by a trillion.
But I will concede this, if the left is so adamant about being right, then they’d better fucking show up for Mamdani in New York considering Adams and Cuomo are striking unholy alliances with Trump.
Liberals will be voting for him. Let’s hope the left is more than just rhetoric at this point.
Edit 2: Many of us groaned when she was even made VP considering her persecution of Black Men for minor weed charges. But she’s still a better option than Cheetolini or Couch Fucker.
Reminder that she was made VP as a reward for helping a dementia riddled corpse ratfuck an actually progressive candidate out of the primary.
How’s that Super Delegate system treating you?
“when American needed people like you, you failed.”
Shove your condescension up your hypocritical ass you self-righteous blowhard. You’ve no idea what I did or didn’t do to try and avert this fucking crisis and if you think for a moment that “people like me” weren’t and aren’t fighting for our goddamn lives and those of our communities you’re so ignorant it’s galling. Fuck you
Amazing how you’ll hold every group accountable except the group most responsible for electing Trump: straight white men.
Why bother? They are fucking lost causes and, frankly, too stupid to bother convincing (the Joe Rogans, Kevin Sorbos, Adam Corrollas, Joel Olsteins and the likes). Yes, most white men are worthless imbeciles who aren’t worth counting on for cleaning shit in a toilet, let alone accountability.
I’ll be honest. When I get service done in my home, if it’s a white male and especially a young white male, I cringe and expect shitty work and shortcuts.
I blame everyone else because I expected better of everyone else. I don’t expect anything of these white maga male shit stains as they have been a fucking nuscience towards progress since the Reconstruction failed.
Politicians are not entitled to votes, they earn votes. This is completely on the DNC for nominating another loser candidate with a platform of “I’m not Trump.” If we keep holding our nose and voting for the lesser evil they have no reason to change. Our votes are our only leverage.
you should really read up on who voted for rfk jr and jill stein it was all conservatives,.
That wasn’t leftists, that was just narcissists enjoying the smell of their own feces.
They down vote because they can’t defend their alliance with the right. Can’t tell them apart from the right most days. Always the same vibes.
Pretty much.
what is it about losing that makes you so upset? if harris wanted to win she’d have stopped SUPPORTING A GENOCIDE.
I did not vote for anyone who supported genocide.
Why the fuck are you ok with it? there is no such thing as a thrown away vote, only recalcitrance from people who won’t admit they’re ok voting for someone who fucking supports genocide. Go fuck yourself.
It’s always amazing to me how people will blame those that couldn’t stomach voting for a pro-genocide candidate, instead of blaming the candidate for being pro-genocide.
I don’t blame those who didn’t vote for Kamala for her stance on Israel, I get it. I’m just tired of people who didn’t vote specifically against Trump then act really surprised that the Democrats are putting up an anemic defense of our rights, because in theory they should have expected it, given how they voted. Asking why Democrats aren’t stopping fascism when you ostensibly did not support them because you felt they would not do enough to stop fascism should be readily apparent.
I am not using “you” here as in you, piefood, just as a general you
I get what your saying, and to some extent I agree. But I also don’t think that they would be fighting fascism if they had more power. When they were the majority, they spent their time building up the systems that the fascists are using. They built up the surveillance state, immigration control, torture programs and the police/military powers. They should have spent their time dismantling it, but the Democratics have the mindset of “It’s OK when the Blue Team does these things. Surely the Red Team won’t use that against us!”
it’s all decades of manufactured consent
Fucking morons complain about the stranglehold that the Israel lobby has on this country, yet cannot understand how outright support for Palestine, in 2023-2024 would have completely sank any presidential campaign.
neat. where have we seen that rhetoric before? oh right. a century ago.
israel is doing a genocid. trump is a fascist.
i can’t vote for either.
no rep or dem candidate ran that fit my moral criteria on those hard lines.
if YOU are ok with genocide or fascism, you do you and go follow your leader.
You voted explicitly in favor of Trump you fraud
Trump voters voted for Trump. You really need to get out of your bubble and talk to them, instead of regarding them as some sort of immutable force like the weather.
You admitted to voting for trump. A vote for third party was a vote for trump. We’re done here you Russian fuckin troll
No, it’s really not a vote for Trump. Those votes aren’t his, or Harris’s
You can tell because they count the votes and everything. Oops, I mean, everybody else can tell. Just not you.
how? lol. try again.
Russian fraud. Bye
If you didn’t support a genocide, you would have done something about it
and I am.
A fraud
Nazi supporter.
Right. We had 15 months of weaponizing and covering for Israel’s ethnic cleansing during Biden’s term, but its the guy who criticizes him and his replacement that’s the “Nazi supporter.” Your comments are indistinguishable from a MAGA sycophant and you can’t even see it.
One of the lessons of the crimes of the Nazis is that the road to Hell is paved with The Greater Good. The Nazis themselves believed that all their crimes were necessary for the betterment of society. They thought though their actions were regrettable, it was the only choice they really had. Killing millions was the lesser of two evils.
You have more in common with the Nazis than you would like to believe. There’s very little you cannot justify when you have no red lines and you’ll always support the lesser evil. The Nazis themselves thought they were supporting the lesser evil.
who? folks who voted for trump or harris? yeah they are.
Lol everyone but you and a few thousand people are nazis
Edit: third party morons can downvote this all they want. Voting against a semblance of sanity is what they’re good at
Lol. You didn’t vote period. So you don’t deserve a say in anything going forward.
Once again, tankie. How’s Gaza looking? Because of people like you, I’d say pretty fucked. Especially since you are still using the Biden genocide excuse to not take responsibility for Trump’s ACTUAL genocide.
But whatever helps you cope.
I find it very telling that you blame the person who couldn’t stomach to vote for genocide, instead of blaming your polticians for being pro-genocide.
thank you. well said.
? I voted but not for harris and not for trump. I don’t vote for genocide. try again.
So then you don’t know how voting works in America? It’s easily learned.
It seems to me that they do know how voting works in America: If you keep voting for pro-genocide candidates, you keep getting genocide. Maybe one of the two major parties should try running an anti-genocide candidate.
seems like you don’t. i vote for the candidate that fits who I wish to win. marketing and propaganda have you thinking a 3rd party is a thrown away vote. Want to fix that? vote for someone who doesn’t support genocide.
Yes! Third party votes pressure D and R to change their platform and get those votes.
Even if you don’t think so, it still happens. For example, Socialists have been fighting for a minimum wage since 1910 (and still fight for higher wages today). They are the only reason for Democrats adopting a pro-labor position in the 30s. I could go on, but it’s all brand new to you, you’d lose your mind. Baby steps.
Pushover liberals? Nah, you meant to say pushover democrats.
Because we have allowed impotent pacifist dipshits control the narrative for the Left too long, is why we are here.
democrats arnt condoning this, its all conservatives.
Some Democratic politicians flirt with the idea because they think it will help their chances to become president, like Newsom: https://calmatters.org/politics/2025/03/newsom-transgender-athletes/
Republicans
Welcome to Republicans’ America. This comes right after Trump’s administration started forcing trans folks out of the military, yet denying them retirement benefits. People with 15-18 years of service to our country that had been previously approved for early retirement have now had that rescinded because they are “medically unfit”. The hatred is in full force…
having their retirement stolen from them is fucking vile
I’m actually surprised that I have not heard about people dying as a result of this
I’m surprised there haven’t been lawsuits around breach of contracts
Early retirement is a privilege not a right. At least that’s how it works in the Military.
It’s not like retiring is their choice, they’re being kicked out.
I know, which is why the packages are being denied. The packages won’t be approved because they don’t meet standards. It’s bullshit because the standards changed under them, I was in a similar boat when I was in. But that’s how the system works
That’s a weird passive-voice way to say “the system was weaponized against them.”
It seems like these news stories only get written when the victim is a cis person mistaken for being trans.
There are way more cis people.
That is the default settings.
One thing is that these are the stories that actually have some vague chance at swaying a person that thinks we should be policing trans use of bathrooms. If they see more trouble and harassment of the class of people they think they are protecting, maybe part of them has to see it’s doing even more against their cause than the alternative.
Another is that trans people are relatively more rare, so it just makes plain sense that this will usually happen to a cisgender person. If someone thinks that someone seems not to look like their gender, odds still are that they are cisgender just by the numbers.
The biggest group affected are most likely ciswomen, since people love to control how women look and act, and there’s just way, way less transwomen in the toilets. Meaning the most commonly happening effect of these crazy bathroom laws is basically punishing ciswomen for not looking feminine enough
It’s because trans technology is so advanced that they all pass undetected. /s
In all seriousness, I think it reflects just how distorted the anti-trans bigot’s perception of reality is and how enabled they feel to act on those perceptions. These people believe that trans people are more common than they actually are and they are hyper-fixated on proving it.
I think your critique of the “not a problem until it affects me” nature of this is valid; however, this also signifies that transphobia is becoming less rhetorical and more actionable. That is terrifying for anyone who doesn’t meet the arbitrary socially acceptable expressions of gender.
My hope here is that more people will come to realize how stupid transphobia and gender/bathroom policing is when they start to realize that it affects them, too.
The last one before this I read was an ftm guy, Luca Strobel, who had to use the woman’s bathroom since there were no stalls in the men’s.
https://lemmy.ca/post/45048725
https://lemmy.world/post/30614642Though, those publications are considerably less mainstream, so you still have a point.
Everything about that is just fucking awful. And who even makes a toilet with no stalls?! Do men not need to shit? Wtf
Pretty sure you’re right that there’s more articles about cis people being “inconvenienced”. However I can think of at least 3 reasons off of the top of my head:
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there are way more cis people than trans people. While I strongly suspect that a larger percentage of the trans community is affected compared to cis people, purely by numbers it’s still more likely to affect cis people more frequently just because there’s so much more of them. Depending on which statistics you listen to only 0.5% - 3% of people are trans.
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trans people (and especially the ones who do not pass particularly well) are more likely to avoid public bathrooms now. Cis people are more likely to not expect any issues and not think twice.
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Apparently a decently large part of the right wing voter base would agree with trans people being denied entry into bathrooms. It’s what people decided this “law” was for in the first place (not that that this law was even applicable here). However if you show those same people that someone they empathize with also is negatively affected that’s more likely to lead to change.
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Why the fuck would anyone give a shit what a buffalo wild wings employee wanted you to do FFS. Have a little backbone. “You, an hourly employee of a restaurant chain, wants me to do WHAT? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit!” is the appropriate response to someone who has zero capacity to arrest you or even give you a ticket.
i witnessed a young woman crying at a mcdonalds the other day. she walked into the ladies room and a man was in there jerking off.
the problem has nothing to do with gender.
the problem is assholes.
this server is a sex predator and needs prison.
He was just playing a friendly game of “hold the pickles”.
*She. Come on the us is an equal sex predator nation.
Who’s “us”?
The short form for the nation of no longer united states…
Isn’t that just called assault?
Yes.
no its called “Making America Great Again™”
In general, it is then appropriate to respond with a pepper (spray)
Someone pulls that shit on one of my kids and theyre getting sprayed alright. .45 acp is close enough to capsaicin right?
Telling someone to leave someplace isn’t assault. The person was clearly an asshole/bigot, but she didn’t ask the lady to show her boobs to prove she was a woman, she told her she had to leave because she can’t be in there.
forced to prove gender
That’s the words in the title but not what the article actually says what happened.
Says that she had to show her breasts or leave. Are you really going to argue the difference in this and “forced”?
Slaves weren’t forced to work! They clearly had a choice to not work and be harmed or killed, as well!
“Mudra said she felt she had to prove to the server that she is a woman, so she unzipped her hoodie to show she has breasts.” No one said “show them or leave”.
When she went to the restroom, a server followed her inside and banged on the stall door while saying: “This is a women’s restroom. The man needs to get out of here,”
Right after your quote:
The server didn’t say anything in response but left the restroom
Yes, I’m completely sure she wasn’t forced to prove her gender. To accuse others of not reading the article, while actively not reading the article is certainly a move.
Nope. They just said “leave” this woman felt that the only way to be able to stay and have a piss was to show her chest.
this woman felt that the only way to be able to stay and have a piss was so her chest.
And we’re defending this why?
Not OP but I am, dammit. “Leave” is not the same as “piss yourself” or anything like - there is no consequence of any kind tied to it, so what is exactly being forceful here? Shit, the girl could just verbally assault the idiot and then leave. No forcing here, stop it, situation is already awful, no reason to add fantasy to it.
Not being able to use the bathroom is being forced to leave the premises.
This is no different than having whites only restaraunt.
Being forced to leave the premises is not being forced to flash breasts. And as I said, situation is terrible, no need to add sexual predation fantasy to it
You failed history class didn’t you?
you’re either being a thick troll or are a fucking idiot.
“Mudra said she felt she had to prove to the server that she is a woman, so she unzipped her hoodie to show she has breasts.” No one said “show them or leave”.
“felt she had to prove” / the young woman was accosted in a private place and after TELLING THE PREDATOR TO LEAVE, the predator REPEATED the demands.
you’re a fucking monster if you can’t see through this. go fuck yourself.
What would you have done to make the server leave you alone? Short of proving your gender
Fling poop over the door. Handful of dookie solves a lot of problems.
It will also put you in trouble with law enforcement.
They can have fistfulls of dookie too.
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They don’t want to know what happened, they want to be angry.
If the headline is more enraging than the article, they’ll believe that instead.
You don’t find the article enraging?
I do, I think this is more bigotry that has become commonplace because of Republican rhetoric against trans people. The law is dumb and the server trying to enforce it is probably a bigot and a terrible person.
That being said, people are reacting to the headline. The person I was responding to was correctly pointing out that the headline is misleading. It’s easy to point out how bigoted these laws are without completely fabricating information (like the headline is doing).
Pointing out misinformation does not automatically mean the person is defending the actions. Pointing out misinformation is how we keep from becoming like Republican voters, living in a world build out of lies and spin. Downvoting people who are pointing out that you’re being lied to is ignorant and actively makes the misinformation problem worse because it deranks the comments that would help people be better informed.
If you want to litigate the headline, here’s the snippets from the article.
From the article:
When she went to the restroom, a server followed her inside and banged on the stall door while saying: “This is a women’s restroom. The man needs to get out of here,” […] when she came out of the stall at Buffalo Wild Wings and told the server, “I am a lady,” she said, the server responded, “You have to get out now,”[…] Mudra said she felt she had to prove to the server that she is a woman, so she unzipped her hoodie to show she has breasts. The server didn’t say anything in response but left the restroom
The server didn’t ‘force her to prove her gender’, the server banged on the door and said that men couldn’t be in the restroom (which, again, is bigoted and enraging). The woman came out of the stall and unzipped her hoodie to show her breasts to the server who left without saying anything.
The headline is clearly incorrect and written to amplify outrage (in order to drive traffic for ad revenue)
Would she have been left alone if she hadn’t proven her gender?
So an adult confronted a child in the restroom, banging on the door and demanding she prove her sex. The implied threat was that if she didn’t, she would be thrown from the restroom or the restaurant entirely.
You are using a deliberately thick-headed definition of “force.” The word “force” does not literally mean physical force. It means coercion, manipulation, requiring someone to do something against their will for fear of consequences.
I’m taught courses before. I don’t "force " my students to take exams. I’m not going to go to their home and frog march them at gunpoint into my classroom to take my exam. But anyone in my class is forced to take any exam I give, if they wish to pass the class. It’s optional in a philosophical sense, but not in the practical sense.
You’re splitting hairs because this is a trans-related topic, nothing more.
So an adult confronted a child in the restroom,
We don’t know the age of the server and 18 is an adult in the US.
banging on the door and demanding she prove her sex.
These are the only recorded statements of the server based on the victim’s testimony.
“This is a women’s restroom. The man needs to get out of here,” […] “You have to get out now,”
Which of these sentences is 'demanding she prove her sex?
The implied threat was that if she didn’t, she would be thrown from the restroom or the restaurant entirely.
There was no ‘if’ (see the two sentences above), she was told to get out of the restroom.
I’m taught courses before. I don’t "force " my students to take exams. I’m not going to go to their home and frog march them at gunpoint into my classroom to take my exam. But anyone in my class is forced to take any exam I give, if they wish to pass the class. It’s optional in a philosophical sense, but not in the practical sense.
They are required to take the test, you do not “force” them. If someone said ‘Teacher forces children to take test’, the implication is that they didn’t have a choice because you are forcing them.
Here too, the woman was not “forced” she chose to show her breasts. Forcing implies the inability to do otherwise. The people in the comment section are reacting to the headline as if the woman had no choice but to show her breasts to the server. This is not true.
You’re splitting hairs because this is a trans-related topic, nothing more.
🙄 In the courses you taught, did you force your students to learn the term ad homenim?
