• HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
    181·
    22 hours ago

    some people think that strength is what wins a fight, but a good luchadore knows that is not true. Its weight!

  • Malyca@lemmy.zipEnglish
    46·
    1 day ago

    American hero right there. Those families will never forget what he did for them.

  • callouscomic@lemmy.zipEnglish
    761·
    1 day ago

    School administrators doing more for public safety than fucking police would.

    Great job focusing on the gun (grabbing that arm) and then incapacitation. Lucky this ended this way.

    • kreskin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      211·
      23 hours ago

      The police wont endanger themselves to save others. They argue in court that they are only there to do paperwork, and that “protect and serve” was just marketing, and was never a promise to do either. Useless bullies. They use their monopoly on the use of force to protect themselves, and thats it.

      • brbposting@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        21 hours ago

        won’t

        I saw one story that alleged a police officer endangered himself to save others. The kind of thing police might want to quantify.

        Hmm…

        Anyone know if they have tried to quantify how often they put themselves in harm’s way? Some starting point for analysis (removing incidents that don’t meet strict criteria), eventually get to a number: “police endanger themselves less than x% of the time”

        • fodor@lemmy.zipEnglish
          81·
          19 hours ago

          Each year the U.S. pigs shoot and kill over a thousand people. They always claim, without exception, that those were dangerous situations (for the police).

          In reality, of course many of them were not, and the cops just murdered someone because fuck it, but it’s impossible to know exactly how often that occurs.

          A couple hundred pigs die each year, but they don’t break down those numbers. However, reliable data shows that the majority of on-duty deaths are traffic accidents, the majority of those are caused by the pigs themselves, either through carelessness, recklessness, or negligence.

      • Shindo66@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        22 hours ago

        Its also liability. Doing nothing has been successfully argued in court over and over. If they do things and bad things happen because of it, they can be held liable. I think there are some cops who would definitely jump in there, but i agree that most wouldnt put themselves in that situation.

  • rekabis@lemmy.caEnglish
    30·
    1 day ago

    JFC, dude came boiling out of a shadow on the wall.

    I had to watch it three times before I saw what the camera angle showed as a barely-there nook in the wall.

    This is what heroes do. They run towards the danger, not away.

  • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
    395·
    1 day ago

    Americans…

    A country that produces mental health issues… And they give them guns. And Americans defend this like it’s a normal fact of life.

    David Bowie made a whole song about that.

    • Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      915·
      1 day ago

      A country that exists because of its use of guns to gain independence.

      Its hard to change the culture when it exists literally because of having guns.

      • Dimi Fisher@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        10 hours ago

        That’s nonsense, having guns is what keeps anything from falling apart and become an absolute dictatorship

      • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
        16·
        1 day ago

        Yeah? Europe survived two World Wars. You don’t see us having a gun culture like America.

        • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
          82·
          24 hours ago

          And Switzerland has more guns per capita than the US because their government mandates it. And yet, the Swiss have little to no mass shootings unlike the US. It is down to the American culture of being so gung ho and and excessively individualistic not to fund public education and mental health services.

          • pfried@reddthat.comEnglish
            8·
            4 hours ago

            Switzerland has 1/4 the number of guns per capita as the U.S.

            Switzerland requires a permit to own a gun. This permit is also required to own daggers. This permit requires a clean criminal record and no mental health problems. Any guns acquired with this permit must be registered with the canton. Automatic firearms and tasers are banned.

            You are not allowed to carry a weapon in public unless you have a separate permit that is issued sparingly.

          • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            21 hours ago

            Switzerland doesn’t have a gun industry saturating the market with guns. Swiss guns are owned by the military, and they have a pretty low population compared to the size of their country.

            • wieson@feddit.orgEnglish
              21·
              10 hours ago

              ??
              With H&K and SigSauer, Germany and Austria have a sizable gun industry, without the massive shooting problems. Because of the same language, these two companies could easily advertise and lobby in Switzerland.

              Swiss pop density is 226 inh/km^2, whereas USs is 41 inh/km^2 and even denser areas like New York state are merely 159 inh/km^2.

              I think it’s all policy and very little other factors.

              • Tattorack@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                4 hours ago

                Heckler and Koch, and SigSauer have their biggest manufacturing subsidiary in the United States.

                Try again.

          • 0x0@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            23 hours ago

            And Switzerland has more guns per capita than the US

            Norway and Canada too, i reckon.

            • BlackVenom@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              19 hours ago

              Big doubt on Canada given handgun ban and level of regulation. Doubt Norway is any looser or near “just go buy a few glocks and a rifle or two from strangers at a show it’s k”

  • hardcoreufo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    803·
    2 days ago

    I’ve seen lots of videos of good guys without guns saving people from bad guys with guns, but I’ve never seen a “good guy” with a gun do jack shit.

    • k0e3@lemmy.caEnglish
      7·
      19 hours ago

      I’m surprised nobody mentioned the guy who shot Charlie Kirk lol. You guys have more class than I do, that’s for sure.

    • chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      21 hours ago

      I occasionally carry a firearm, but it’s for protecting me or my family against an attacker. Honestly it’s more for if I run across wild hogs than anything. It doesn’t make me an action hero who can charge a mass shooter.

      In the event of a mass shooting, the rule is to run. If you can’t run, you hide. If you can’t run or hide, you fight back.

      Carrying a gun doesn’t change that. My little pocket pistol is inaccurate, low-capacity, and low power. If I try to use it to fight a mass shooter I’m probably just gonna be putting more bullets in the air while getting myself killed.

      Tackling the shooter like was done in the video is a better tactic. Even if you could draw and shoot accurately in the time it takes to run a few steps, the shooter would probably still have time to do damage before bleeding out. Tackling them and taking control of the gun is faster and more effective.

    • GraniteM@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      1 day ago

      I heard a story of someone who was at a gun show and some geniuses thought it would be a good idea to try and grab a bunch of rifles and just run for the doors, and of course about a dozen people drew down on them.

      But then, that’s like, proliferated guns at a gun proliferation party preventing guns from being proliferated by a tiny degree more than they would have otherwise, so… that kind of feels like a net neutral, overall.

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
      23·
      2 days ago

      It happens occasionally, but it’s pretty rare. I heard a story some time back of a gunman who drove up on a birthday party or something, and a bystander shot them.

      The rate is far lower than the rate of gun accidents, or even gun homicides though. It’s not an argument for lax gun laws. It just is an occasional side effect that can’t and shouldn’t be counted on.

      • CosmicTurtle0 [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        13·
        1 day ago

        I think John Oliver did a deep dive and found in the history of shootings, a small handful were stopped by “a good guy with a gun” while a significant number beyond that were stopped by people without guns.

        He went further: the good guy with a gun often were used for disciplinary measures (read: send black students to the school resource officer) instead of guarding the place. Not only that, but in school shootings were more violent where there was good guy with a gun.

      • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        37·
        1 day ago

        That’s actually incorrect, the lowest estimate for defensive gun use (by Harvard Phillip Cook using NCVS data, whoops), only counting verifiable police reports and completely discounting defensive display, the most common form of DGU) is 100,000/yr, while gun deaths including accidents, homicides, and suicides, are ~60,000/ yr. That’s still a difference of 40,000.

        Also good to keep in mind, only 45% of Americans even own a gun, and only somewhere around 20% carry it ever, and even less carry everywhere every day. Combine that with many mass shootings taking place in schools which federally ban firearms or businesses which often have “no weapons” signs on the door (which depending on the state can actually be legally binding), with all of that the chances of there being a “good guy with a gun” in the first place are still pretty slim. If he’s a “good guy” even if he brought it he likely left it in the car in accordance with the law and posted signage on the mall (or whatever), and it can’t do any good there.

          • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            21·
            1 day ago

            My mistake, it wasn’t Harvard, it was Phillip Cook using the NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey) Data. It’s only been 8yr since I read the article, please forgive my indiscretions. In my defense Harvard is also mentioned.

            https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense

            Needless to say I disagree with the disqualification of defensive display categorically, but understand why it would be done for official estimates (though that would mean the official would be purposefully low, by the nature if many of them not having police reports or being one’s word against another even if they exist there’s no real reliable way to collect those statistics, so I think it’s best to leave them out.) Mostly I think it should just be kept in mind that the official estimate is based off of incomplete data and is low, lest we end up with ridiculous estimates like 3,000,000.

            And yet still, Harvard the NCVS data* (whoops lol) estimates defensive gun use as 40k higher than gun deaths, and that’s with less than 20% of Americans carrying daily. To say it’s so rare it’s a myth is to say all gun death (60k), gun homicide (12k), accidental gun injuries (~1,500) and deaths (~500), are also myths due to rarity. And also the OG Black Lotus card at 1,100 printed.

            The rate is far lower than the rate of gun accidents, or even gun homicides though.

            Is still indeed not true, regardless of if I misremembered just who said that one detail from 8y ago.

            • BillCheddar@lemmy.worldEnglish
              11·
              1 day ago

              Again, your unsourced bullshit is not an actual summation of verifiable data.

              It’s just right-wing talking points, dude, with the veneer of pseudoscience.

              More guns = more people die from guns. It’s not any more difficult than that.

              • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                33·
                1 day ago

                I mean you can disagree with the accredited crime researcher and the NCVS data he used (it is a move I guess) all you want, but I’ve posted the source where I got my claims, so “unsourced” is verifiably false, it’s right there.

                More water = more people drown, it’s not any more difficult than that, ban water.

                • BillCheddar@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  11·
                  23 hours ago

                  You can keep posting right-wing jerkoff fantasy as much as you want. Doesn’t change the fact that the guy got his science wrong.

        • SupraMario@lemmy.worldEnglish
          52·
          1 day ago

          Gun deaths are on average 40k not 60k. We’ve never even hit 50k a year.

          Rest what you said is true.

          r/dgu subreddit collects all the known good guy with a gun articles as well.

            • SupraMario@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              1 day ago

              Good luck with that. The anti2a groups want those in the same category so that it pumps up the numbers. When 2/3rds (66+%) of your statistic of gun violence is based upon suicide. It’s not as catchy to use.

              • baines@lemmy.cafeEnglish
                3·
                1 day ago

                truth

                and gun violence in schools stands fine on it’s own

                anyone seeing those numbers should be disgusted enough

      • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        1 day ago

        Not just once, it’s happened multiple times. There was also the one at the mall where the good guy was then mistakenly shot by the police, that one time 4 store patrons all pulled guns on an armed robber, those are just the ones that I can recall off the top of my head.

        Actually Defensive Gun Use (hereafter DGU) estimates vary wildly, from the CDC (self) reported numbers by John Lott and Gary Kleck (500,000-3,000,000), to the more realistic estimate (based on verifiable police reports, and completely discounting the concept of defensive display) by Harvard Phillip Cook using the National Crime Victimization Survey data of 100,000 DGU/yr.

        But in any case, by the lowest estimate we have, DGU still happens at least 100,000 "once"s per year, and more if we count defensive display (though that’s hard to get numbers on so I leave it out of the “official” count, it does still happen, and likely more often than bullets actually get fired.)

        • brbposting@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          22 hours ago

          [for anyone] If you carry be careful for second gunman

          Was a good guy once who stalked a gunman (grocery store?). About to save the day, good guy gets hit in the back from the perp’s accomplice :(

          -per some YouTube channel on probably defense & safety years ago

          • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            11·
            21 hours ago

            I remember that video, yes, always be wary of trailing accomplice(s). Amongst many other things, really, it isn’t always as simple as “have gun.”

  • RecallMadness@lemmy.nzEnglish
    28·
    1 day ago

    Someone: < installs motif in the middle of the floor > Also Someone: nooo don’t walk on the motif.

  • CaptDust@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    60·
    2 days ago

    That principal is a serious hero, and very lucky. Great pin and control on the weapon, he put all his weight into it.

  • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
    451·
    2 days ago

    Is there a way to vote for this principal for mayor?

    His campaign tagline could be “The principal with principles!”.