Well you know what they say…what doesn’t kill you makes you have fewer cells that produce antibodies.
Bye bye Texans, it was not nice knowing ya’ll
And when the Great Corruption has settled over the land, and permeated the very foundations of reality itself, then shall the Lord of All rise from the rot and ruin, spread his arms wide to reclaim all his children.
May Grandpa nurgle bless everyone of them
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We are careening toward the “end-game” for the rampant anti-intellectualism, anti-science, anti-critical thinking mind virus that plagued this country for at least the past 80 years.
This is what happens when you condition people for nearly a century, to get angry and defensive when someone who’s more versed on a subject tries to teach them something (or god forbid, correct them). It has become a kneejerk reaction for so many Americans (mostly conservatives). They are so insecure that they view any type of education as a direct insult to them or some stupid bullshit like that. Like deep down, they know how ignorant they are, but for some reason they’d prefer to stay that way, so anyone who challenges that (regardless of how pure the motive), is a “smug piece of shit talking down to them.”
And instead of even retaining what the person said, let alone learning it, they become even more radicalized against… well, reality.
I truly have no idea how something like this can ever be fixed at this level. We’re talking over 50 million people give or take tens of millions (unsure how many have regrets).
And this is nation-ending shit.
Edit: Slightly related, but something I just thought about… Imagine if we ever have a prion-based pandemic (if that’s possible?). That could straight up be the end of humankind. Prions are terrifying.
Additionally people become bitter w.and conservative once they get a degree and never ended up in their field( they should know better), this is probably a small group but it does track. A lot of people love to choose majors like psych without researching you need a PsyD at the most to have a career
Well said, extremely on point. I’m just curious about your view on the timeframe - you’d say this started in the 40s or earlier? In my mind it was more around the 60s, together with the rise of neoliberalism
To be honest, I just threw a number out there without bothering to do the math… I guess I was thinking post-WW2, but yeah it could have been slightly later.
This is what happens when you construct a society around screwing everyone else over while preaching cooperation. People stop trusting everything
Yeah, the US government is so well known for “preaching cooperation”. What a fucking joke.
It’s a simple problem, the lack of trust; and a relatively simple fix.
But you will have to abandon liberalism, capitalism, and all such tools of the rich that only exist to oppress the poor. While those systems of oppression exist, anti intellectualism is a natural defense mechanism.
There’s a reason black folks in the US tend not to trust doctors, a good one, one of the best. It’s the same reason native Americans tend not to trust the law, immigrants tend not to call police even if they’re legal, and smart poor people don’t trust vaccines. It’s all the same reason, all the same cause, even with different incidents from that cause.
And you can’t fight it and keep the systems that spawned it, it is impossible.
Black people in generally are also ignored by doctors when they display life threatening symptoms such as heart attacks
Prion based pandemic is entirely possible.
I anticipate prions becoming a part of biological warfare in the coming years.
Measles can cause immune amnesia, meaning your immune system forgets past illnesses and will have to go through initial sicknesses again.
Yup. It’s why so many died, not from measles, but from other diseases in the 3-5 years after they had measles. IIRC they only really worked this out in the last 5-10 years because of the amount of data to comb through.
Chickenpox, mmr viruses is deadly to adults. Ever seen a adult get chickenpox, the poxes actually hurt more than it itches
It’ll continue to spread, as well. Last Friday, someone with contagious measles spent hours touring 2 Texas campuses, hours in college bars and restaurants, and hours in crowded tourist attractions. Next Friday, one of those colleges starts spring break - and it takes 2 weeks for the rash to start showing up. Some of those college students will have caught measles and will go on spring break, where they’ll spread measles to other spring breakers. Three weeks from now, there’ll be outbreaks in every state in the Union.
If you weren’t vaxxed, you were under-vaxxed, not sure if you got vaxxed, or think the vax might not have taken, now it’s an excellent time to get vaxxed.
It depends on how badly we’ve fallen under herd immunity, but it does seem likely.
You can catch measles by entering a room, such as a classroom, where another student had measles two hours before.
Unvaccinated people are going to pay for the ignorance of their parents real soon.
Unvaccinated, immunocompromised and babies under 2 years old are at risk. Vaccination is a collective effort to protect the most vulnerable.
People born after 1957 and vaxxed before 1967 (vax was less effective), people who only got a single shot until the mid-70’s (accidentally under-vaxxed), immune compromised/suppressed …
It’ll continue to spread, as well. Last Friday, someone with contagious measles spent hours touring 2 Texas campuses, hours in college bars and restaurants, and hours in crowded tourist attractions.
If accurate, this person belongs in fucking prison
I doubt they knew they had it at that time.
They were almost certainly unvaccinated though.
So do you want to start imprisoning everyone that isn’t vaccinated? Do you want to do it when they’re still a child or the day they turn 18?
that’s very leftist of you to promote carceral punishments for someone who could’ve had no idea they were infected
that’s very leftist of you to promote carceral punishments
You don’t know what “leftist” means.
mortality rate of 3% for unvaccinated kids.
gonna be a lot of depression-era grieving going on.
Measles wipes your immune system as well. You’ll be having a miserable next decade or longer getting sick from everything again.
There was a Simpson episode, about Maggie getting chickenpox and Marge had to make sure Homer doesn’t come close to her, since he never had it
People focus on mortality too while failing to account for the sorts of lifelong disabilities viruses like these cause when you do survive them. Absolutely sickening.
Mmr and chickenpox both can cause Temporary infertility in men, if you catch it later. It because it causes inflammation in your tubes of the testes
On the topic on non-mortal cases, this CDC page says the hospitalization rate for 2025 has been 20% (30% for <5 year olds)
the lifelong disabilities will be awful
I don’t want to know that stat butttt do you know that stat? I’m curious anyway
20 to 30% have some form of complications, it’s particularly severe in the vulnerable, very young, very old and compromised immune systems.
I don’t think that includes the general weakened immune system that a lot of people experience after the measles, children apparently lose 12 to 73% of their antibodies following a mild measles infection.
it’s highly transmissible, 9 out of 10 people who are exposed and unvaccinated will get it.
https://www.idsociety.org/public-health/measles/know-the-facts/
there are a ton of stats and a ton of complications that can occur with measles, so it’s difficult to find one comprehensive number for everything, but everyone who is unvaccinated will probably get it after less than 90% of the population is vaccinated, 20 to 30% will develop complications, a lot of those are going to be permanent. and even the temporary complications can last for years.
We don’t have more recent data because it was eradicated so rapidly in 3 years after the vaccine was introduced, but prospects sure don’t look good for dumb families and whichever population they’re poisoning.
as always the price is paid by those without a choice
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Can’t wait to see conservative morons saying “hurr durr 3% isn’t even that high of a percent”
3 percent of kids dead is a small price to pay for Texans to not have to reevaluate how they make decisions.
They’ll never stop defending their right to let others die for their obstinacy.
Measles parties is the stupidest thing I heard. It is not chickenpox (although even chickenpox instead of vaccine causes risk of having shingles once you get older), it can cause serious health issues and even death.
It’s so stupid I literally think it’s an attack on US citizens by hostile foreign governments
Russia definitely tries to exploit this weakness but the underlying cause is the American obsession with eugenics as a cure to disease
The US does love eugenics, this is true
Sorry, was this meant to a different comment? I don’t like the move Hegseth did, but I’m confused how this relates to measles.
That anti-vax rhetoric and “measles party” rhetoric are so unbelievably bad, I think it’s psyops put forth by foreign governments meant to kill Americans deliberately. And with Hegseth removing large portions of cybersecurity, it’s only going to get worse.
The chickenpox vaccine is relatively recent, and chickenpox parties were a good way to inoculate children who get only mild symptoms and very little danger from the disease compared to adults.
Nowadays, vaccines are 100% the best defense.
Measles is so much worse and it has never been a good idea to purposely subject yourself to that.
Yea I distinctly remember getting an Aveeno bath for it, and families were also having their other children around each other with chickenpox.
I know, that’s what my parents did and I needed shingles vaccine.
I’m happy the vaccine is available for my kids and they don’t have to worry about shingles when they are older.
The shingles vaccine for adults originally using a larger dose of the attenuated virus of the childhood vax. But now they have a new one that doesn’t use the virus at all, it’s called shingrx. It’s not advisable to get shingrx or the original shingles vax if your under 50
Yep, the vaccine is recent enough that if you were born in the 90s or before, the vaccine wasn’t available when you were of the right age to get it. I didn’t even know we had a vaccine until probably 5 years ago.
Same, I only found out through the shingles sub I regularly visit, because I had shingles before 20
Was still pretty dumb, because now they have shingles for the rest of their lives. Just laying in wait for the right moment to strike lol
Well, the thing is that if you get chickenpox was older person it is much more serious, and there is shingles vaccine too.
I’m actually fine that my parents did it, it seems like there’s upper age for the vaccine so I wouldn’t be eligible, so it was either that or trying to be lucky and not catching it while being older.
Chpx vaccine only came out in 1995. Anyone before that had the virus already.
There was not a shingles vaccine back when “chicken pox parties” were a thing
I’m just gonna say, I got lucky with where my shingles hit and it suuucked. It was just my side. I have a friend who got out across their face. I got very lucky.
Have had shingles twice, in my mid 20s and mid 30s, wouldn’t recommend.
At least I got diagnosed soon enough to be medicated…
I had it 19/20 I was totally untreated by the time I saw a doctor, it already ruptured all the blistered and ooze all the liquid. I still have scars to this day, plus some nerve damage. It was a small rash, but it’s numb there. My phn was pretty mild
For anyone not in the know, if you had chicken pox you’re at risk for shingles. I’ve heard it’s shear hell and got the shingles vax.
I think you need hit a few times? I’ve done 2 in the last 2 years, no side effects. Except for, ya know, not getting shingles.
Had shingles at 20, definitely would’ve been worse if I had shingles later in life. Even with the chickenpox.vaccine it doesn’t prove full immunity, people have been getting a wild infection and then shingles anyways, , it’s just the initial chickenpox is less severe
I got it earlier than normal, usually it is given at 50+, I think it is because of side effects and in my case it were the worst I ever had.
I had 2 doses, first one was largely non issue, except I went to Costco next day to do shopping and day after I felt like I had a long hike.
The second dose really scared me, but next day I had a vertigo that lasted few days. I couldn’t walk in a straight line, if I lied in a bed it felt like I was spinning. I thought I will end up disabled because of it, fortunately after 3 days it started to pass.
Never had any vaccine reaction this scary.
I have some theory about it; perhaps the vaccine amplifies signals from nerves or something i.e. in first dose I got tired more than I should (from just waking in store for one hour), with second dose, next day I actually went to some bounce castle thing with my kids and jumped there a bit and I think that triggered it.
So if you are getting the shingles vaccine best to just stay home and rest for few days.
On the shingles subreddit, someone got it before 50, and it gave them some kind permanent issue. Don’t try to aggressively pursue shingles vaccine before 50, because there hasn’t been significant studies on it. The subreddit got pretty anal and restricted the sub, because people were being called out for not having shingles, when they keep posting " is this a shingles rash, when it clearly its something else"
Chicken pox parties were a thing in the 70s and 80s. I think that’s before they had a vaccine? I don’t remember measles parties being a thing though.
My parents tried to get me sick in the 70s, never caught it. Then I got hit with chicken pox when I was 16 and it fucked me royal, still have scars. Be damned sure I got my shingles vax though!
Chickenpox is severe the older you are. Compared to shingles, chickenpox is more likely to cause severe symptoms
No shit, chicken pox is not particularly serious compared to fucking measles. These people are idiots
In adults it’s severe and can be life-threatening
I mean conservatives were advertising covid parties in 2020…
For little ones, no big deal. For teens or older, it’s godawful. Easily the worst sickness of my entire life.
Have fun fighting a culture war against pathogens, Texas
They’re just unaware that a war against a culture of microorganisms is an entirely different thing.
Republicans think can win a war against viruses and bacteria,
Pathogens are woke
I am sure the people who hold measles parties will definitely listen to the government’s recommendations on health decisions.
What a marvelously American headline.
Ya got measles? Bring the kids over! We got enough raw milk for all of y’all!
Eat some raw milk and end up looking like leatherface JR
Who’s bringing the roadkill bear meat?
Whale carcasses
This is Texas, not Tennessee/Kentucky/Arkansas.
I think I heard if you drink raw milk with H15N while you have measles you get immunity to H15N!
Oll-oh-yoll
If only there was a way to prevent it…say a “vaccine”
What the fuck is it that makes these people turn into lemmings as soon as Trump is in office?
And yes, I know Disney staged the whole lemmings jumping off a cliff thing, but the analogy stands, so don’t fuckin’ @ me.
